#79703 08-31-2008 01:12 PM | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 346 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | OP Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 346 | Hello all, I have looked into getting more life insurance and realize how impractical that is right now. Then, I began thinking about getting mortgage life insurance through our mortgage company. I know this, normally, would not be the best insurance, but things aren't normal anymore. I have been cancer free for about a year and 1/2 now and I don't know if it is as hard to get as more life insurance. Has anyone tried this or looked into this option? It would make me feel better if I could at least get this going, if nothing else. Thanks for your help! Debbie
Partial mandibulectomy and neck dissection 2/3/07. T2NOMO. Had 14 hour operation which included reconstruction of jaw. Reconstruction failed. Some radiation, no chemo. | | | | Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 309 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 309 | as far as i have been told unless you are 10 yrs + since completion of treatment it is next to impossible and hugely expensive for the little available ... once the c word is in your records they are very skeptical ... and smokers thought they had it tough maybe someone else has found a place but i haven't found a one that is willing ...
Rita - Age 44 wife, mother of 4 - ages 3,16,21,24 & grandma to 1 (R upper) Maxillectomy 8/8/08 - UW / Seattle, WA.
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"Those who think by the inch and speak by the yard, should be kicked by the foot."
| | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 | Finding anything affordable when you are under 5 years is just about impossible. 10 years out is better, but never as cheap as for those that have no cancer background. That's if you can find it at all. You have awhile to wait. If you think about the cost of some of this, you might be better served taking what would have been your payment and putting it into savings/investments for the future.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | | | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 346 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | OP Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 346 | I know that regular life insurance is out of the question. Thank goodness I had some (and do you ever have enough)but I was told by someone that getting mortgage insurance was almost a plus for the lender. It is actually a help to both parties.
Usually, you get this when you first get your mortgage, not after you have had one for awhile, like mine. I just don't want my husband to be so stuck if anything should happen. I am having one of those times when I am thinking alot about the future of my familiy. I will get over it another day. But, I hate to call my mortgage co and spill the beans, so to speak. I will call someone and investigate and get back. I just thought someone on hear might be in the mortgage business. Thanks! Debbie
Partial mandibulectomy and neck dissection 2/3/07. T2NOMO. Had 14 hour operation which included reconstruction of jaw. Reconstruction failed. Some radiation, no chemo. | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I have a Cancer policy with Mutual of Omaha, and they have sent me 3 offers for Life Ins. At my age it is kinda of high . They know all about my cancer and they say I can't be turned down. The cancer Ins sure came in handy. Been thinking about more life ins, but I have no wife or girlfriend so why would I? The American Legion and AARP both have them thru a company too.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
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This is an intersting topic. I do have the mortgage insurance and also life insurance. Im wondering if you already have these things for years before you are diagnosed if that would make any difference. Anybody know if you can make changes to existing policies after having cancer. Debbie, you have me thinking now. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 756 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 756 Likes: 1 | I don't believe an existing policy can be impacted, unless you knew you had cancer when it was issued.
Susan
SCC R-Lateral tongue, T1N0M0 Age 47 at Dx, non-smoker, casual drinker, HPV- Surgery: June 2005 RT: Feb-Apr 2006 HBOT: 45 in 2008; 30 in 2013; 30 in 2022 -> Total 105! Recurrence/Surgeries: Jan & Apr 2010 Biopsy 2/2011: Moderate dysplasia Surgery 4/2011: Mild dysplasia Dental issues: 2013-2022 (ORN)
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Often your existing life policies will offer you the chance to increase your current coverage and if they do, jump on it as they almost never ask any medical questions. Just don't go hog wild with the amount of increase.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 346 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | OP Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 346 | David, The thing that I think of when they say no questions asked, is that "if" God forbid, something did happen and then they would say that could not pay because of cancer. They would have to give back the money paid in but no insurance. Ever heard of that? I had not thought about calling and upping my existing policy. Would that be chancey too? I have had it for 30 years. I think I ask too many questions, but we will find the answers. Christine, Know any insurance geeks? Thanks everybody, Debbie
Partial mandibulectomy and neck dissection 2/3/07. T2NOMO. Had 14 hour operation which included reconstruction of jaw. Reconstruction failed. Some radiation, no chemo. | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I do believe most Ins Cos have a 2 year clause , for new policies, that they can refund premiums paid. On existing Policies, they can't drop you or change the coverage. So if you have Ins and it's been in affect for more than 2 yrs, don't worry about it.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | If they don't ask or make you sign a statement where you would falsify a answer to a question, then they can't later deny coverage, or should I say they would be hard pressed to deny coverage.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 147 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 147 | Funny this topic came up as I've been wondering the same thing. We bought a home before his reoccurrence and was wondering if we could do this, too. The offer came in the mail, but I didn't want to poke the c-bear...plus I didn't want him to feel bad if we were turned down.
I'm interested to what anyone with insurance experience can find out and let us all know.
Thanks!
Caregiver to Husband 50 yrs.young-non smoker/non-drinker; Stage IV - all treatments stopped August 2009 Lost the battle November 23, 2010
| | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | Be careful about generalizations on insurance -- Each state has its own Ins Commission and the laws may differ, plus the InsCo's themselves have some latitude in how they write policies.
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | I just got off the phone with my insurance company. The agent is coming out on Thursday to update my policy. From our conversation, my policy which is a mortgage life insurance policy that Ive had for 10 years will actually go down. It will go down due to the fact that Im now a non smoker. I did tell them Ive had cancer and he said it doesnt matter, its changing an existing policy so it doesnt have any medical questions. Once the insurance man comes out, I will know more and I will ask about anybody getting a brand new policy who has had cancer. Im sure every state and company are different, but this might be helpful. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 346 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | OP Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 346 | Way to go Christine-just ask and you shall receive. I will be very interested in what you hear. Make sure you ask about someone who already has a mortgage as opposed to someone who is buying a new home. Thanks! Debbie
Partial mandibulectomy and neck dissection 2/3/07. T2NOMO. Had 14 hour operation which included reconstruction of jaw. Reconstruction failed. Some radiation, no chemo. | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 |
That agent is going to be sorry that he called me by the time Im done asking him questions. Poor guy. Im very picky and will want to see it in writing, not just what the guy tells me. I will try to get some info to share here and find out if every state has different rules.
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I was licensed in the Sate of Ohio as an Ins agent. You just couldn't stop a policy of any becauses. The laws that regulate them are basically still intact.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | I couldn't even get insurance to pay off my credit cards. I understand that some companies will offer life insurance after 7 years cancer free. Read the small print. Oftentimes they can exclude you because of pre-existing conditions even if they didn't ask any medical questions.
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
| | | | Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 346 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | OP Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 346 | Do you think this is true of people who have heart conditions and such? I am even not going to tell my work that I am having a small procedure done to remove a basel cell carcinoma from my leg (like Laura Bush) only mine is not as bad as hers. Hers was squamas cell. They will all think I am going to die again and give me "the look". It is not even related to my jaw cancer that was removed and now I say I am cancer free for the moment. If I tell my work, I am afraid they will figure out a way to get rid of me that I cannot prove. Must we go around feeling we have to hide stuff? I did not even think about credit card insurance!! THey usually want to stuff that down your throat! wow! Debbie
Partial mandibulectomy and neck dissection 2/3/07. T2NOMO. Had 14 hour operation which included reconstruction of jaw. Reconstruction failed. Some radiation, no chemo. | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I just got another Ins offer that states it doesn't matter about illness or injury. But like most they have a 2 year full enforcement provision. They will give back your payments plus interest but after 2 years, the full policy is in affect. I really hope I didn't trash the Ins offer I got before this one. It was the best offer I have had. I have enough to make my ex smile when I die, LOL
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | Debbie, I am not completely sure about this but I understand that there is an insurance company "clearing houses" much like credit companies that have databases for those using private health insurance and they share this information. Whether that has been impacted by HIPAA I don't know. To stay completely off of the radar you have to pay cash at the doctor.
Gary Allsebrook *********************************** Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2 Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy) ________________________________________________________ "You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Sorry guys, the agent cancelled my appointment 2 hours before he was scheduled to come out. I havent rescheduled with him, I will now go directly to the main insurance office so I can review every policy I have with them. It will be a couple weeks before I have time to go, I will update what they say.
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Interesting discussion. I have pursued every life insurance, mortgage insurance angle I can since diagnosis. When I was diagnosed I was in the process of signing up for Aflack cancer insurance but they had a 6 month waiting period any way and wouldn't have had to pay. The important thing is that you read the conditions and know the laws in your state. I actually had insurance for 2 months while they grilled me weekly for more past medical records and such and then they just "quietly" sent me back my premiums. On October 9, it will have been 5 years "cancer free" and I am going knocking and pounding the pavement to get something. I know I can get seomething from work but I don't know when for sure.
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I listed an Ins Co that will sell to us under insurance
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I can't get mortgage Ins as I tried but have been getting life ins offers thru the American Legion that has no past medical history. This was in the last week and from times before.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
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