#53514 05-25-2004 05:45 AM | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 372 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | OP  "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts)
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 372 | Anyone have any info on veggie diets that are supposed to help build one's immune system and in turn fight off cancer. Diet with no meats, no breads, no sugar, mostly just veggies? Have heard of a few different ones (Halleleuh diet is one of them). Just wondered if anyone has any info or thoughts on the subject.
Thanks!
Debbie
Debbie - Caregiver for husband, Dan, diagnosed with tongue cancer 7/03. Partial gloss., mod. neck dissections, graft. Recurrence neck tumor 12/03. Radical left neck dissection 12/24/03-unable to get all the tumor. 8 weeks chemo/rad beginning 1/12/04.
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#53515 05-25-2004 05:57 AM | Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,244 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts)
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,244 | Hi Debbie
I've been a veggie for 8 years.. but will admit to bread and sugar not being exclued.. understand lots of soya products are supposed to help.. have to say hasn't worked for me though..lol...
love and hugs
Helen
SCC Base of tongue, (TISN0M0) laser surgery, 10/01 and 05/03 no clear margins. Radial free flap graft to tonsil pillar, partial glossectomy, left neck dissection 08/04
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#53516 05-25-2004 06:41 AM | Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 164 Gold Member (100+ posts) | | Gold Member (100+ posts)
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 164 | Debbie,
I tried that for awhile (3 weeks) but it was entirely too difficult with my circumstances. If you can eat and chew properly then it might be okay. The juicing I did make me sick. I had enough throwing up during my pregnancies to last a lifetime so I gave up. There's not much evidence that proves the diet to be successful with cancer prevention. I have been taking B12 supplements and that has helped me out. I have a couple of friends that are really into juicing and enemas with coffee and the whole cancer battle plan, but it doesn't appeal to me at all. I found that I spent all day cleaning equipment and cutting up veggies rather than spending time with my kids. Dan's problem may be not enough activity. Bodies in motion tend to stay in motion and a body at rest tends to stay at rest. I had to force myself to get out and do some things. It really helped my energy level and attitude.
Talk to you soon!
Lynn
Stage 3, N0, M0 oral tongue cancer survivor, 85-90% of tongue removed, neck disection, left tonsil removed, chemo/radiation treatments, surgery 11/03, raditation ended 1/04, lung mets discovered 4/04,
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#53517 05-25-2004 10:38 AM | Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts)
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 | An excellent book on the subject is "Beating Cancer With Nutrition" by Patrick Quillin. You can find it at Amazon.com by clicking on the Oral Cancer Foundation home page then the Amazon.com link. Search by title. OCF BOOKS PAGE Remember to use the Amazon link from OCF every time you go there. OCF gets a reward from Amazon for every purchase made there!
Mark, 21 Year survivor, SCC right tonsil, 3 nodes positive, one with extra-capsular spread. I never asked what stage (would have scared me anyway) Right side tonsillectomy, radical neck dissection right side, maximum radiation to both sides, no chemo, no PEG, age 40 when diagnosed.
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#53518 05-25-2004 01:49 PM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts)
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | Be aware that "Beating Cancer With Nutrition" (Michael Quillin, PhD, Rd, 1994) is on the "Nonrecommended Books" list at Quackwatch. http://www.quackwatch.org/00AboutQuackwatch/altseek.html
Gary Allsebrook
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Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2
Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy)
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"You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
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#53519 05-25-2004 04:38 PM | Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts)
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 | Well now QUACK WATCH will be on my qwackpot list. I now have reservations about their motives. I was curious and surprised to see that Gary, especially that it is on the list but with no reasons given. Also the 1994 edition of the book is a much older version I didn't read.
The fundamental information about nutrition contained in the book is very well done. I would challenge any one to refute the accuracy. The only thing some people might have a problem with is his suggestion of eating no added sugar, and his opinion (based on his observations) of the effect of high blood sugar and cancer. If that is the reason Quack watch listed it then they need to read the entire book! To the rest of you take a look at the book in the book store (so you don't have to buy it) and let me know what you thought.
When I discussed the book with a relative whom is also an ongcologist, he was familiar with the book and felt the nutrition information was very good. He didn't sign on to the sugar thing.
Mark, 21 Year survivor, SCC right tonsil, 3 nodes positive, one with extra-capsular spread. I never asked what stage (would have scared me anyway) Right side tonsillectomy, radical neck dissection right side, maximum radiation to both sides, no chemo, no PEG, age 40 when diagnosed.
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#53520 05-25-2004 06:13 PM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts)
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 3,552 | Hey I'm just the messenger! Why not email Dr. Barrett and ask him yourself Email: [email protected] My concern was that the way post was written it looks as if it's on the OCF recommended book list. Conversely Quackwatch is the OCF reference list: Quackwatch, Inc. http://www.quackwatch.org Quackwatch, Inc., a member of Consumer Federation of America, is a nonprofit corporation whose purpose is to combat health-related frauds, myths, fads, and fallacies. Its primary focus is on quackery-related information that is difficult or impossible to get elsewhere. Founded by Dr. Stephen Barrett in 1969 as the Lehigh Valley Committee Against Health Fraud, it was incorporated in 1970. In 1997, it assumed its current name and began developing a worldwide network of volunteers and expert advisors.
Gary Allsebrook
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Dx 11/22/02, SCC, 6 x 3 cm Polypoid tumor, rt tonsil, Stage III/IVA, T3N0M0 G1/2
Tx 1/28/03 - 3/19/03, Cisplatin ct x2, IMRT, bilateral, with boost, x35(69.96Gy)
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"You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes" (James 4:14 NIV)
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#53521 05-26-2004 03:31 AM | Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts)
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,384 Likes: 1 | Gary, I do not mind that you pointed the fact out.
My surprise is that it was there on Quackwatch.
When I re-read my origional post I guess I don't see how anyone might think it is a book offered by or "approved" by OCF.
The next time I suggest a book I'll NOT use the OCF Amazon link just so there is no possible confusion. OCF will of course loose the small value that the link returns from Amazon, However it is a small price to pay for perfect clarity.
P.S. I am glad this was moved to the "Ajunctive" section
Mark, 21 Year survivor, SCC right tonsil, 3 nodes positive, one with extra-capsular spread. I never asked what stage (would have scared me anyway) Right side tonsillectomy, radical neck dissection right side, maximum radiation to both sides, no chemo, no PEG, age 40 when diagnosed.
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#53522 07-05-2004 10:33 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 207 Platinum Member (200+ posts) | | Platinum Member (200+ posts)
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 207 | I just read through these posts, and I think the debate here is what I've found most frustrating of all... On the one hand, you've got folks promoting what I think is sound nutrutional information that makes sense for the most part. On the other hand, you have folks calling it a bunch of quackery. The nutritionist we talked to at MD Anderson fell in the latter part. We called her a "hardcore traditionalist" after talking with her for more than an hour.
At the same point, there aren't the indepth studies out there that show taking Vitamin X and Supplement Y will definitively help you in the battle against cancer. It's all very frustrating and confusing. The more I read and study, the more lost I seem to be...
Tongue cancer (SCC), diagnosed Oct. 2003 (T2 N0 M0). Surgery to remove tumor. IMRT Radiation 30x in Dec 2003 - Jan. 2004. Recurrence lymph node - radical neck dissection June 2004. Second round of rad/chemo treatments ended Sept. 2004.
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#53523 07-05-2004 09:52 PM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 458 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | | Platinum Member (300+ posts)
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 458 | Eric, this is pretty ironic, just saw a combination of "Dateline" segments about the Atkins Diet, pros and con's. Understand carb's are now the enemy, but a few years ago back the were the base of the "Food Pyramid." And red meat is touted as not all as bad is it was put up to be. But around here there's a caution that too much fish unhealty because of chemicals, and if farm raised there's too much antibiotics in the fish.
AAARRGGGHHHH.....
And the diet here is mostly rice and noodles, with meat, veggies and such to give taste to the rice and noodles. And not a whole lot of obese people here despite the food being high in carbohydrates.
Now the sugar thing leads me to this question. If sugars and glucose isn't a factor in tumor growth, then how is it that PET scans work on the basis that cancer cells metabolize sugars at a higher activity level, so show up on the PET scan, if I have this right. The hospital has me avoid all sorts of foods with natural sugars in them the night before a scan.
Remeber the old Woody Allen movie "Sleeper?" The scene where after he comes back from being frozen for 100 years they feed him a Snickers bar, and mention that all the studies were wrong, that it's now health food?
SCC Tongue, stage IV diagnosed Sept, 2002, 1st radical neck dissection left side in Sept, followed by RAD/Chemo. Discovered spread to right side nodes March 2003, second radical neck dissection April, followed by more RAD/Chemo.
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