#44074 10-25-2004 11:03 PM | Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 28 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 28 | Rosie suggested I start a new thread about my husband's first day, so here it is. As to how it went--long, boring, and uneventful. The hardest part was leaving; I have a teenage son, and while he is quite self-sufficient, I didn't want to leave him alone all evening with his father in the hospital. But Ken was quite comfortable, had his books, TV, etc., and begged me to leave, so off I went. Called him 4 or 5 times throughout the evening, however! The only bad part was seeing Ken's roommate. He is through his second round of chemo, and on week 5 of radiation, I think. The man is in appalling condition! He has TWO tubes (peg and naso), is in the bathroom all the time, throwing up or otherwise occupied, is incontinent-wearing a diaper, taking morphine and oxycodone, and pretty much unable to function. It frightened Ken to death, and didn't do much for me, either. Is this the norm after 4 to 5 weeks of treatment?
Sherry (Dolores is the name of my cat) Wife to Ken, starting chemo/radiation 10/25/04. Stage IV SCC of right tonsil, T2,N2A,MO
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#44075 10-26-2004 12:45 AM | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 482 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 482 | Dolores, glad Ken finally got started. Is he on a chemo every 21 days of rad schedule? Is his chemo cisplatin or something else? Don't worry too much about Ken's neighbor as we all react differently to treatment. I was checked into the hospital for each of my 3 chemo treatments and had very little difficulty. Except for the first time when the anti-nausea medicine was a problem and they switched me to another type, everything went well. When I was in my fifth week, I was a little gray, and had lost a lot of weight, but was still continent, if thats a proper word, did not have any vomiting issues and took meds only after work each day as I drive a lot and didn't want to have any falling asleep at the wheel issues. I also drove myself to each rad treatment about an hour and 15 minutes from the house. So not all reactions are the same. I found that the worst part of rad treatment was after the chemo in the last week and first 3 weeks after radiation. The doctors indicated it would keep doing its work even after treatment. My neck also cooked a little bit, but all of it was worth hearing "all of the cancer was gone" after the radical neck dissection and the lymph nodes were biopsied. So just think of this next couple of months as a dream, get through it as best as you can, and know that it will end and is the weapon that is killing this cancer in Ken's neck. Also, make sure you take time for yourself so you have energy for Ken when he needs it which will be especially high at the end of rad.
Regards, Kirk Georgia Stage IV, T1N2aM0, right tonsil primary, Tonsilectomy 11/03, 35 rad/3cisplatin chemo, right neck dissection 1/04 - 5/04.
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#44076 10-26-2004 04:34 AM | Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,163 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,163 | Hello Delores,
I also had a stage 4 tumor on my right tonsil. I was a T4NOMO. I had IMRT radiation and sailed right thru it. No mouth sores, no burning of the neck, I was lucky. I am currentely going through chemo. Three weeks on every Monday followed by one week off. I have had no side effects from the chemo either. No throwing up at all. They do give meds to minimize the sick feeling with chemo. I am receiving Carboplatin & Taxol. So far it has held the recurrance in check. Hoping Ken sails through his treatment.
The fear of the unknown is always worse than the actual event.
Danny Boy
Daniel Bogan DX 7/16/03 Right tonsil,SCC T4NOMO. right side neck disection, IMRT Radiation x 33.
Recurrance in June 05 in right tonsil area. Now receiving palliative chemo (Erbitux) starting 3/9/06
Our good friend and loved member of the forum has passed away RIP Dannyboy 7-16-2006
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#44077 10-26-2004 05:10 AM | Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 546 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 546 | Sherry, I don't know if there is a norm, but if there is, I don't think the roommate's condition reflects it. The fact that he has both a peg and a naso tube is unusual, since they both basically do the same job. This fact alone makes me wonder if he doesn't have other more complicated issues going on. I am also surprised to hear he is on both morphine and oxycodone, unless the morphine is primary and the oxy is just being used to treat breakthrough pain. It's just my non-professional opinion, but his condition just doesn't sound anywhere near the norm. I wouldn't be too concerned, although I'm sure that is a lot easier for me to say, being as I'm not the one who is there beside him. Perhaps you could discreetly ask a nurse about it. I know they can't divulge specifics, but they could probably tell you enough to set your mind at ease. Hang in there, Rosie BTW, how is Delores? She must be one special cat for you to use hers as a screen name. And I don't think you'll escape being called Delores. Just human nature to pick up on that name as it is so prominently displayed.
Was primary caregiver to my daughter Heather who had stage IV base of tongue SCC w/ primary recurrence. Original diagnosis August 21st, 2002. Primary recurrence March 18th, 2003. Died October 6th, 2003.
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#44078 10-26-2004 06:15 AM | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Sherry, From my experiences, Ken's roomie is not what I have seen. As Rosie suggests, there must be some other things going on with him. Maybe keeping your focus on Ken would make the hospital visit a bit more enjoyable...maybe snuggle up next to him in the bed...on the side away from the roomie, of course ... May you have many more boring, uneventful days and nights through Ken's treatment and recovery! Ed
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
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#44079 10-26-2004 09:43 AM | Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 9 Member | Member Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 9 | Sherry,
Maybe I'm not one to comment as I have never had chemo, but I have had two neck dissections, three additional surgeries beyond that, and 37 treatments of radiation. I'm also a dentist, and as such I am pretty familiar with treatment protocols.
I agree with other posters here. We all react differently to treatment, and I strongly suspect that this other patient has other pre-existing medical concerns as well. While I'm sure that experience did not help either of you, it truly doesn't have anything to do with how your husband will fare. I can tell you one thing from the bottom of my heart-your husband is sooo lucky to have you supporting him. I have an 18 year history of oral SCC, and my wife for reasons that I clearly do not understand, has not been there emotionally for me.
Good luck to both of you, and keep on fighting the fight. Take care.
David
Stage 1 lateral border of tongue in 1986 requiring L neck dissection, three surgeries later in Feb 2004 invasive SCC (poorly differentiated) L radical neck dissection followed by 37 treatments XRT
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#44080 10-26-2004 10:04 AM | Joined: May 2003 Posts: 928 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2003 Posts: 928 | Sherry Just you concentrate on Ken...the guys are right, everyone reacts differently. My hubby was one sick puppy for a while but, think of it as like labour pains..the result is worth anything ..right! Cuddles and hugs go a long way, made me feel good and I wasn`t the sick one. Lots of positve thoughts coming your way. Take care of yourself. Marica
Caregiver to husband Pete, Dx 4/03 SCC Base of Tongue Stage IV. Chemo /Rad no surgery. Treatment finished 8/03. Doing great!
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#44081 10-26-2004 10:57 AM | Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 28 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 28 | Thanks, everyone for the reassurances. I didn't think what the roommate was experiencing was the norm, either, so I guess I was just looking for some affirmation. When I arrived at the hospital this morning, Ken was completely exhausted from lack of sleep. The roommate had been up all night, sick or in the bathroom, with battalions of medical people constantly in and out of the room. Also, his room is right beside the nurses station. I requested a private room (none available), but they were able to move him down the hall, away from the station, and in with a man recovering from a transplant who just sleeps a lot. What a difference it made! The room is quieter, less traffic in and out, and Ken is able to use the bathroom. Before, he had to go down the hall to the public restroom because his was always occupied. So I didn't feel as bad leaving today, because I know he will sleep better and have more peace of mind. It was really nice this afternoon; we drew the curtains and I crawled up on the bed and we took a nap together! Hope I didn't break any rules! Rosie, Dolores the cat is 14 years old, fat and sassy, and likes to sit with me when I am online-hence the original screen name. I answer to either one....
Sherry (Dolores is the name of my cat) Wife to Ken, starting chemo/radiation 10/25/04. Stage IV SCC of right tonsil, T2,N2A,MO
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