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#22044 01-28-2007 09:06 PM
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Hi, I am 34 and my husdand is 37. He has never smoked, chewed or been a drinker, yet on August 29th 2006 we were told he had cancer. It turns out it was a T2 tongue cancer. The dr removed it and told us he got clean margins and we had nothing to worry about. He said it was all over. He mentioned a CT at that point but never acted on it. Being a pushy wife I bothered him until he ordered it. It showed enlarged lymph nodes with likely mulitiple node involevment. Instead of a biopsy the dr opted for a PET scan, which also popped up hot spots in the nodes. On October 4th my husband underwent a partial radical neck dissection. A NEW dr removed all the lymph nodes on the left side of his neck, which is the same side as the original tumor and then took the first 2 levels out of the right side. He came to the waiting room and told me he was almost positive based on past experience of what these look like that there were at least 2 nodes positive for cancer and that we would need to progress to radiation treatment as soon as he healed. However all path came back clean. We decided to not do radiation. My husband was seen on November 20th for his first 1 month cancer ck. We were told he would be seen montly for a year or so and then not as frequently. On 11/20/06 he was considered cancer free!!! He saw his primary dr on December 6th 2006.......also cancer free!! On December 9th a lesion showed up in the exact place of the original. He had a biopsy on 12/19. Within a week of the biopsy the tumor had completly filled back in and was larger. By January 1st 2007 there were 3 tumors. He has surgery on the 4th of January. The dr took all three tumors out plus 2 cm all the way around them to be sure to get clean margins. When the pathology came back we were devistated. Not only did he not get clean margins, and not only were there not only 3 tumors there were 10! 7 of the tumors were not visible to the naked eye. So now the option of doing or not doing radiation treatment was no longer there. He MUST do it. It appears that the cancer is throughout his whole tongue. The dr's wanted to wait 4-6 weeks after the last tongue surgery to start the radiaiton so that he could heal completly. But, within one week of the surgery he had another tumor! Now the oncologist wanted us to start radiation immediatly! She said "as long as the tumor is a T1 or smaller we can radiate it." So here we are. He now has a feeding tube in place for just in case we need it! I am so scared because the cancers are coming on so hard and so fast. This can't be good! He is young and has no risk factors! What is going on here, why??? We have two young children. I am so afraid that they are not going to be able to control this. I want to be strong for him but I am so scared for me and the kids if this doesn't work. I know that sounds selfish but, as a mom I have to think ahead for me and the kids and what we would do. I do want and NEED him to beat this but I also know that sometimes this is totally out of your hands!!! I am just so scared. He and I have been fighting a lot lately and I know it is the stress of the situation. I am worried I won't be able to be strong when he needs me to!

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Grace, it is HARD at this point, maybe as hard as it ever gets, because later you are going to be so busy just running to keep in place that you will get caught up in the daily tasks of making life happen.
It sounds like you are realistic enough to be worried about your children's future. That's a VERY good thing! Don't ever apologize to anyone for that. It's just being a good Mom!
It also sounds like you are strong enough to fight, so you will be strong enough to care when he needs you.
Take it in baby steps, one day, one hour, one MINUTE at a time, and you will get to the other end of this.
We're all on your side, this is the place to vent as well as being the place to come for information on what to expect, what is average (notice I didn't say "normal") and what is worrisome.
Hang in there!

Best wishes, Andrea


SCC L lat tongue,Dx 9/15/05 T1N0MX L MND and L lateral hemiglossectomy 10/03/05. Recurrence 11/15/06 2nd surgery 12/04/06 hemiglossectomy 3rd surgery 01/15/07 tonsillectomy Radiation 01/25/07 to 03/08/07 3-D/CRT X 30
#22046 01-29-2007 01:49 AM
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Grace
Im sorry to hear of your husbands cancer.
Some advise do what the doctors want when they want to do it. It not easy and scary road.
If you feel somthing is not happening soon enough, start making calls make it happen.
Good luck


Tongue Cancer, stage 4, spread to neck/ Radical neck, 3 chemos, 33 radiation. 5-18-2005
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Grace,

I'm sorry to hear what you and your husband have been through in the past several months. Unfortunately, this kind of cancer is hitting younger and younger people, including those that many doctors think are outside the "risk pool". The important thing right now is to make sure your husband gets expert care for his ongoing treatment, especially in light of the aggressive way the tumors seem to be multiplying. Is his medical team at a major cancer center that deals with oral cancer cases on a daily basis? You can find a list of them under "Other Resources" on this website. If you're not at one of these, I would strongly suggest that you get a second opinion from one ASAP.

Many of us here have been through radiation, and it IS tough, but it can be done with plenty of attention to things like daily nutrition requirements, plenty of hydration, and managing signs of fatigue and/or pain. Do you have family or friends nearby that can help with some of your routine tasks to help free up some time for you as you get through this?

Feel free to post your questions here -- there are lots of us who have dealt with this disease in one form or another and can share our experiences and suggestions.

Cathy


Tongue SCC (T2M0N0), poorly differentiated, diagnosed 3/89, partial glossectomy and neck dissection 4/89, radiation from early June to late August 1989
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My suggestion is to ignore the "why?" (Sometime in the future they may be able to answer that question, but not now, so it's flat just not worthy of spending any more effort on it) and put your concentration on the "what can I do to make it better and easier for him".

That means you have to see that he gets treatment and does his part even when he doesn't feel like it, plus hold his hand when he needs it plus take care of the kids. If that becomes all too much, consider getting some outside help with one or the other.

Indeed, you do sound like a strong person (and keep in mind that even strong people don't always feel like they are strong!!). Keep coming here for support when you need it because that's an important part -- Folks here have been through both sides of this (victims and caretakers), so we understand.

Lastly, if you really concerned about his survival, then the best way I've found to deal with something like that is to actually formulate some mental plans (don't share them with him, of course, unless things become definitely bad) because dealing with alternatives is often much easier than wondering if the alternatives will become reality (again, separating the stuf we can do something about from the stuf we have no control over).

Hang in there,
Pete


Age 67 1/2
Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05
Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08
Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08
Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06
Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08)
Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08)
On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
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Jeez am I tired of these surgically oriented ENT's not following through with a "team" approach. Not even following up with proper scans and declaring you good to go with nothing to worry about. This guy should get this kind of care himself and see how he feels about it. If this had been presented to you properly at the beginning by a team of doctors from different disciplines at a comprehensive cancer center, you would have dealt with all this at one time without further spread of the (still remaining) disease and the emotional ups and downs that you have been put through. We have seen this happen way too often.


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Grace,

This site is devoted to helping people like you and your husband in your battle with cancer. We have all been there as patients or caregivers. Please use this site often and ask any and I mean ANY question that pops into your heads. With the tremendious experience available on this site you will get quick responses.

Tell us more about the Rad Tx he will receive; when it will start; what type(s) of chemo, etc.

Hang in there. We all know your world has been turned upside down and things look dark right now. Educating yourself about this cancer and it's treatments will certainly help your mental state which is surely a prominent part of this battle.


David

Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Grace,

Hang in there. We will help as much as we can with advice and stories of our own rad treatment and chemo if necessary. As Pete said don't dwell on the why or how you got here. You all need to focus on the daily battle.

Stay strong and keep us posted.
Tim


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Grace - I'm sorry you and your husband and family are going through this. It is confusing and terrifying and overwhelming. To whom do we listen? Which of these docs knows the right answer?? IS there a right answer??

Find the docs who can say: "We have treated dozens of oral cancer patients with great success." Don't settle for a cancer team that doesn't specialize in oral cancers. This cancer isn't like many other forms and needs to be treated by experienced specialists. Your doc can refer you to them, but you must ask.

Get more than ONE opinion about what is wrong and what should be done about it. This cancer is aggressive and needs to be hit with all the best weapons available. Don't let your docs be too conservative in their treatment plan - that kind of planning too often comes back to haunt you...

Check in here often. We can often help with encouragement and the benefits of our own experiences. You aren't alone. Tom J


SCC BOT, mets to neck, T4.
From 3/03: 10wks daily multi-drug chemo,
Then daily chemo with twice daily IMRT for 12 weeks - week on, week off. No surgery. New lung primary 12/07. Searching out tx options.
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Thank you all so much!!! I cannot believe how wonderful this site is and I wish to God I had found it 5 months ago!

A little more info, Jeff is scheduled for 33 radiation treatments. We will talk to the Dr after his treatment tomorrow and see what the tumor board said last week. Our understanding is that chemo is not really effective for treatment of this condition. Is that incorrect??? He ended up with a feeding tube that was way to tight and had to have it adjusted today after just having it placed on Friday. It was so tight he couldn't even take a deep breath! He is already feeling better yet very sore from having the dr pull and tug on it. He says that even though he has only had two treatments after todays he has develeped a strange taste in his mouth and he feels like the back of his tongue has a strange tingling sensation. Isn't it to early for that??? We are only 2 treatments in?????? He also said he has a weird metallic taste in his mouth. I never doubt him when he tell's me these kinds of things because he is a true Marine and never complains about pain or discomfort, so when he does I know it is real.
Thanks again to all you wonderful people!!!
Grace

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