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#196331 - 05/01/18 10:02 PM Oronasal fistula  
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​Hello - my name is Cathleen. I have had an open fistula where my hard palate meets my soft palate for over a hear now. I can't drink liquid without it not coming out my nose. Food and liquid has caused a chronic infection in my nasal cavity and sinus plus some hearing loss. I have to irrigate my sinuses 4 to 6 times a day. My nose is constantly running.

I've had one failed surgery and months of trying to get the right fit on an oral opturator. I'm now at a point where I'm considering another surgery.
I'm wondering how many else there are out with similar issues and or experiences with an oral fistula repair? I'd love to hear about your experiences.

The 3rd surgery I'm considering is called a buccal fat pad reconstruction. Anyone familiar with that?

I'm happy to hear any and all comments / suggestions.

Thank you.


ACC 7/16/16 Hard Palate Stag I, age 47
Surg 11/17/16 maxillectomy & RFFF reconst
30 IMRT end 4/31/17
-85 lbs in 4 mo, no caregvr
6/17 surg fistula repair attempt failed
9/17-5/18 Oral opturator fittings to block / cover fistula failed
6/18 Buccal Fat Pad reconst failed
Clear PET & MRI 11/17 & 6/18
#196334 - 05/02/18 01:48 AM Re: Hello All! Let me introduce myself [Re: cate1968]  
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Its very common for patients to have problems healing after going thru rads. Even areas a couple inches away from the radiation zone can have compromised healing capabilities. Ive been thru something similar with having a 6" open "tunnel" along the side of my face to behind my ear. This "tunnel" was about as big around as an uncooked piece of spaghetti. After weeks of going to a wound care specialist group and trying a great many different treatments without success I was down to my last option to get the area to heal. The "tunnel" kept getting infections. My doc had me get a picc line then start taking strong antibiotics 3x a day. The antibiotics would get delivered to my house from the hospital frozen and stay refrigerated. I also had to do hyperbaric oxyegn treatments (HBO). HBO is where a patient is in a glass cylinder breathing pressurized oxygen. My HBO treatments were almost 2 hours in the tank 5 days a week. It makes for a long day! The patient gets their blood pressure, temp, pulse, etc checked by the HBO tech every day prior to and immediately after each dive. Once a week the HBO doctor would do a check up to make sure everything was going smoothly for the HBO patient. Finally the tunnel began to show improvement and 8 long months later it was permanently closed. Of course, this is just the ordeal I went thru where others in similar situations may tell a completely different story.

When I went to the wound care specialists, I was impressed at all the different things they had available. The wound care team worked closely with an infectious disease doctor who was monitoring the infections I kept getting in the "tunnel"

Another idea would be if you havent already been treated at a comprehensive cancer center (CCC) to make an appointment with an ENT there. The CCCs are usually the best place to go for complex cases as they have the most experience with these types of things. CCCs use a team based approach, Im not sure if that would be necessary for your situation. Regardless, going to a CCC is definitely worth checking out. If you havent already gotten a second opinion I would advise to do so prior to having any further surgeries.

I hope you find these suggestions helpful. Best wishes!!!


Christine
SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44
2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07
-65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr
Clear PET 1/08
4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I
surg 4/16/08 clr marg
215 HBO dives
3/09 teeth out, trismus
7/2/09 recur, Stg IV
8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy
3wks medicly inducd coma
2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit
PICC line IV antibx 8 mo
10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg
OC 3x in 3 years
very happy to be alive smile
#196342 - 05/02/18 08:36 PM Re: Hello All! Let me introduce myself [Re: ChristineB]  
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Hi Christine - That is so intense. I'm sorry you had to suffer like that. I am being treated at a CCC in Oregon. My doctors there include otolarygologists and ENTs. I get the impression they're out of ideas for my fistula. I'm seeing a new surgeon next week so fingers crossed!!

Thank you.


ACC 7/16/16 Hard Palate Stag I, age 47
Surg 11/17/16 maxillectomy & RFFF reconst
30 IMRT end 4/31/17
-85 lbs in 4 mo, no caregvr
6/17 surg fistula repair attempt failed
9/17-5/18 Oral opturator fittings to block / cover fistula failed
6/18 Buccal Fat Pad reconst failed
Clear PET & MRI 11/17 & 6/18
#196347 - 05/04/18 11:00 PM Re: Hello All! Let me introduce myself [Re: cate1968]  
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Hi Cathleen,

My husband had the buccal flap for a hole (fistula) due to osteoradionecrosis of the maxilla (Upper Jaw) . The buccal flap came from the inside of his cheek. It worked and 6 weeks after surgery the hole closed. But before the surgery he did do 30 HBO Treatments.

Best to You,
Charm


Husband diagnosed 2/13 lower lip scc in situ 2 surgeries never scanned. 8 months later diagnosed soft palate scc stage 4A, tonsil and nodes involved. Hpv positive. Told by ENT small t1 tumor brought in to surgery for tumor removal and neck disection. Aborded surgery. Stage 4!! Finished rads and chemo Jan 2014. Grade 4 ORN of the maxilla, 30 HBOT , sinus surgery , maxilla surgery, buccal flap 4/2015. Doing good. 9-2015 red patch on soft palate , waiting to see.
#196437 - 05/14/18 12:30 AM Re: Hello All! Let me introduce myself [Re: Neumann]  
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Thank you so much Charm. How is your husband doing?


ACC 7/16/16 Hard Palate Stag I, age 47
Surg 11/17/16 maxillectomy & RFFF reconst
30 IMRT end 4/31/17
-85 lbs in 4 mo, no caregvr
6/17 surg fistula repair attempt failed
9/17-5/18 Oral opturator fittings to block / cover fistula failed
6/18 Buccal Fat Pad reconst failed
Clear PET & MRI 11/17 & 6/18
#196537 - 06/02/18 01:30 PM Re: Hello All! Let me introduce myself [Re: cate1968]  
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HI Cate,

My husband has to be the strongest willed person I have ever known. He has suffered 2 heart attacks (3 stents and lots of meds) since cancer and this Jan of 2019 will be his 5 year mark to be cancer free. He just had another tooth pulled and after 3 weeks there is still a hole but we feel it will close. The tooth was so loose it had to come out and the oral surgeon didn't seem at all concerned about the healing so we are going to see what happens. This tooth was not in anyway connected to his sinus so he didn't have to deal with the water and liquids coming out his nose like last time. Hope you are well and remember One Day at a Time. Holes in the body are meant to close!


Husband diagnosed 2/13 lower lip scc in situ 2 surgeries never scanned. 8 months later diagnosed soft palate scc stage 4A, tonsil and nodes involved. Hpv positive. Told by ENT small t1 tumor brought in to surgery for tumor removal and neck disection. Aborded surgery. Stage 4!! Finished rads and chemo Jan 2014. Grade 4 ORN of the maxilla, 30 HBOT , sinus surgery , maxilla surgery, buccal flap 4/2015. Doing good. 9-2015 red patch on soft palate , waiting to see.
#196606 - 06/11/18 09:56 PM Re: Hello All! Let me introduce myself [Re: Neumann]  
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Thanks for your reply! I had the Buccal Fat flap procedure 2.5 weeks ago and it failed. My hole is still open and now my speech is negatively effected. I can not pronounce a lot of sounds. You're husband sounds like superman! Good for both of you! Can I ask where you're located and who did the Buccal fat procedure for you?


ACC 7/16/16 Hard Palate Stag I, age 47
Surg 11/17/16 maxillectomy & RFFF reconst
30 IMRT end 4/31/17
-85 lbs in 4 mo, no caregvr
6/17 surg fistula repair attempt failed
9/17-5/18 Oral opturator fittings to block / cover fistula failed
6/18 Buccal Fat Pad reconst failed
Clear PET & MRI 11/17 & 6/18
#196623 - 06/17/18 02:26 AM Re: Hello All! Let me introduce myself [Re: cate1968]  
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Hi, Cate!

I know you didn't ask, but my dad just had a mandiblectomy at Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary in Boston. one doctor removed his cancer, and another doctor reconstructed his face using tissue and bone from his leg. I would strongly recommend this hospital to anyone who needs surgery on their head or neck. They were incredible.


My father's information:
64 years old
Former tobacco chewer- chewed from age 11 to age 63
Diabetic, High Blood Pressure, High Cholesterol
Diagnosed in February 2018 with Stage 4, N0 Verrucous carcinoma (VC) is an uncommon variant of squamous cell carcinoma
Mandibulectomy and free-flap reconstruction May 30, 2018
Diagnosis changed to SSC.
Began treatment of 30 rads and 5 Cisplatin Cycles on July 18, 2018
Decided not to do any more Cisplatin after the first one.
Finished treatment on August 31, 2018.
#196691 - 07/03/18 08:58 PM Re: Hello All! Let me introduce myself [Re: Vicky1]  
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Thank you so very much!


ACC 7/16/16 Hard Palate Stag I, age 47
Surg 11/17/16 maxillectomy & RFFF reconst
30 IMRT end 4/31/17
-85 lbs in 4 mo, no caregvr
6/17 surg fistula repair attempt failed
9/17-5/18 Oral opturator fittings to block / cover fistula failed
6/18 Buccal Fat Pad reconst failed
Clear PET & MRI 11/17 & 6/18

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