| Joined: Jun 2017 Posts: 5 Member | OP Member Joined: Jun 2017 Posts: 5 | Thank you for the replies, it is very much appreciated. We went to OHSU Knight Cancer Institute which is a comprehensive cancer center in Portland, Oregon. Our physician is the assistant professor of Head and Neck Oncologic surgery at OHSU and is the Director of Head & Neck Clinical Trials there as well. He said that OHSU just completed a trial that said the outcomes of surgery vs. radiation as the primary treatment were almost identical. But for our own peace of mind, I have contacted the Otolaryngologist who first diagnosed my husband to get his opinion as well. Dr. Funk was the head of Otolaryngology at the University of Iowa Hospital and specialized in oncologic head and neck cancer before he moved to Oregon to semi-retire. I value his professional opinion very much. Christine and Stef, your advice of not rushing into a plan has made me feel so much better. I only want what will be the best outcome for my husband, so I will be making plans for a second opinion. He did receive good news from the dentist today- all of his teeth are great except for a bottom molar that will need to be removed because it could cause trouble down the road. They took impressions to fit him with fluoride trays so he can get fluoride treatments everyday after radiation. Thanks again everyone. I feel so much better conversing with people who have a great knowledge of this and offer great advice. I will keep you posted! Jennifer
Caregiver to hubby Rex DX May 2017 at 44 years old T2N2cM0 P16+ 6/2017 PET scan showed neck involvement only 7/24/17 Started 35 RADS and weekly Carboplatin
| | | | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 246 Likes: 1 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 246 Likes: 1 | Regarding surgery post radiation question - is it possible that the surgery the oncologist was referring to was a neck dissection for lymph node involvement? My understanding is that with HPV+ tumors that decision can be made after radiation/chemo. Often the lymph nodes respond completely to tx and that surgery will not necessary.
CG to husband, dx @ age 65, nonsmoker/social drinker. Dx 5/08 SCC Stage IV, BOT T1N2aM0. 33 IMRT - completed 9/12/08. Induction Chemo (Cisplatin, Taxotere & 5FU), plus concurrent Cisplatin. 1/09 PEG removed; 5/09 neg PET/CT; 5/10 PET/CT NED Dental extraction & HBOT 2013; ORN 2014; Debridement/Tissue Transfer & HBOT 2016
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 | My treatment for tonsil cancer, and two lymph nodes, in 2009 was adjunct chemo, followed by Chemoradiation for preservation of swallowing and function, which was popular at the time instead of the morbid split lip surgery. If there was residual cancer or it recurred then they would do "salvage surgery" or "surgery as a last resort" as it's called to the primary or lymph nodes where there was radiation.
Over the years, I've heard of both, upfront surgery before treatment, which I believe MSKCC was doing before undergoing Chemoradiation in 2009, and mine at Mt Sinai, both top CCC, were doing Adjunct and Chemoradiation, and surgery as a last resort, and other variations.
Mt Sinai were also one if the first to do TORS, which I inquired about, but was told it I couldn't do it due to the number of cancer areas involved. I think at the time, TORS was just for tonsil or BOT primary with no neck dissections, and may have since changed. At a later time, another possible recurrence, I was told I couldn't have TORS because of my limited mouth opening from radiation
Subsequently, I needed salvage surgery to my neck for a recurrence. As far as the neck dissection, it was supposed to be a modified radical neck dissection, but during surgery, everything was all twisted up from radiation, so I had a radical neck dissection, which removes the lymph nodes level ll-V and the vein, nerve and neck muscle.
There are positive and negatives with both, one negative being radiation does make structure changes as mentioned, so surgeries can be a little more difficult, and with TORS, Microscopic Laser Surgery, and Endoscopic surgery, the idea of surgery being upfront seems popular again too, and heard of other variations with no chemo, lesser radiation, etc. depending on other negative or positive features. . .
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 6 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 6 | Jennifer, travellottie brought up an excellent point. The surgery after rads can sometimes not be for the tumor but a neck dissection to remove lymph nodes. I suggest you confirm the surgery specifics with the physicians who are treating your husband. It could be exactly what travelottie suggested. Here is a list of the countrys top 69 cancer centers (out of 1500) . On the left column you will find the type of cancer center either basic, clinical or comprehensive. This tool may be helpful to you in seeking out another opinion. Since OCF has members from all over the world, finding someone who is near your local area to pass along doctor info may not happen right away when you need it. Plus, what one patient thinks is ok another may not and its that particular patients opinion, not scientifically ranked. OCF doesnt rate doctors or hospitals (other websites are dedicated to this) but we do go by the NCI list of the top facilities in the US. There are also organizations out there that help cancer patients with free or low cost air travel and special lodging for cancer patients who must travel for treatments or other opinions. Ive put both links below in case you (or anyone reading this) needed further info about these things. Best wishes!!! NCI top 69 US cancer centersMain OCF Website... Financial Assistance including Air travel/Lodging ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jun 2017 Posts: 5 Member | OP Member Joined: Jun 2017 Posts: 5 | Travelottie and PaulB, Thank you for your input and for sharing your knowledge. I did call and ask about why the surgery, if needed, would be done after treatment and they told me exactly what you guys did. It would be a neck dissection since the nodes in level ll, lll, and lV are involved. There was so much information given to us in our consultation that we are still processing most of it. ChristineB, Thank you for the list of cancer center and the OCF website link. It will be very helpful! I was very happy to see that our cancer center was in the top 69! Thanks again everyone for your input...I am learning so much from all of you and am grateful to have people that I can ask questions and get advice! Jennifer
Caregiver to hubby Rex DX May 2017 at 44 years old T2N2cM0 P16+ 6/2017 PET scan showed neck involvement only 7/24/17 Started 35 RADS and weekly Carboplatin
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 | Sounds like it could be a "planned neck dissection," which is done after treatment no matter what the outcome is with Chemoradiation being three nodal levels are involved vs watch and wait approach.
Good luck
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 81 Likes: 2 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Apr 2017 Posts: 81 Likes: 2 | Jennifer, It is so much information; you may want to use your cell phone and record audio from office visits. I do that when my partner can't join me as sometimes it is too much detail.
Your husband is so lucky to have your support and care! Wishing you both the best through this journey.
Stef
Keep fighting friends!
Me -- currently 53 years old SCC diagnosed 3/7/2017 at age 48 Staging SCC HPV+ T0,N1 primary unknown PET 3/16, no activity, biopsies 3/23 benign TORS surgery identified 2mm tumor in BOT (vallecula) Cancer restaged T1, N2, M0 Begin 30 sessions of radiation (60 Gy) 6/13 Completed radiation 7/24/2017 1st MRI clear 10/23/2017!! 2nd MRI clear 10/17/2018! | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 6 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 6 | Always ask the doctor before recording anything. Some physicians are not willing to have their sessions recorded. Others are only too happy to accommodate the request. Its a great way to be able to go back to review everything you might have missed. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | |
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