| Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 | Hello,
It wasn't too long ago where I my family felt we had won the battle. My mom was diagnosed in August 2008 and underwent mandible reconstruction. We were worry free for a while. Earlier this year she had an enormous growth in her neck area that was also removed. Yesterday, I found out that the cacner has spread to lungs and lower spine. Will have an appointment with the doctors soon. Thoughts on how to handle this?
Last edited by Nick V; 09-16-2014 08:15 AM.
CG to mother. Diagnosed with SCC August 08. Surgery Sep 08 to remove right mandible and replace it with fibula from left leg. Also neck dissection with one pos. node. Rad/Chemo with cisplatin completed Nov 30, 2008. Passed away Dec 15, 2014
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,291 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,291 Likes: 1 | Hello Nick,
I'm sorry to hear about the new cancer. Has it been diagnosed as recurrence since you mention spreading? Cancer treatment option are influenced by prior cancer diagnosis and treatment.
Since you have already been through one of the common treatment plans - surgery/chemo/rads, you know much about the processes which will guide you along.
Having two sets of ears helps during all medical meetings and keep good notes and write questions down to ask.
If you can post more specifics of the diagnosis that would help get more specific replies.
Don
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | I would be asking if they're cetain it's oral cancer related. If it's not then oerhaps there is another chemo that this type of cancer reacts to. Rads to the neck area depending on location can also help. (She can be reradiated) but I would also want to know for sure that this is definitely OC related - dr.s automatically concluded it is but that's not always the case. A friends husband had HPV related BOT cancer. They treated it, they found a nodule in his lung... Assumed it was SCC spread only to find out it was early stage lung cancer (small cell) he was treated for lung cancer and is is now NED. Also there is a place in California that does tumor testing to see the best chemo to treat this with. Hugs.
Last edited by Cheryld; 09-19-2014 07:45 AM.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 | here's the update on where it has spread. My mom is now considered terminally ill: -15 mm lymph node -2.3 cm posterior left upper lobe (left lung) which is adjacent to two smaller nodes measuring 7 mm -Focal lystic lesion in the L2 vertebral body
We have two option with treatment: option 1: doing a three combination therapy involving f5-u and cetuximab, pros: this therapy has a better result, cons: there is no alternative therapy
option 2: doing a two combination therapy and if it fails doing cetuximab, pros: there is a second option if first therapy fails, cons: lower results than the first option
Please advise for those who are familiar because I don't know.
CG to mother. Diagnosed with SCC August 08. Surgery Sep 08 to remove right mandible and replace it with fibula from left leg. Also neck dissection with one pos. node. Rad/Chemo with cisplatin completed Nov 30, 2008. Passed away Dec 15, 2014
| | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | I don't know if it would help, my husband who is in a similar situation with mets to the lungs is receiving taxol and carboplatin. The side effects seem to be less severe than when he had cisplatin. He has diarrhea for a few days (takes Imodium to help with that), joint pains for a couple of days (takes Tylenol) and that is about it. We are waiting for the CT to find out if it has worked.
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 | Let me know if I should ask for more information in reagrds to the two options. thanks and please help as I have no idea as of yet
CG to mother. Diagnosed with SCC August 08. Surgery Sep 08 to remove right mandible and replace it with fibula from left leg. Also neck dissection with one pos. node. Rad/Chemo with cisplatin completed Nov 30, 2008. Passed away Dec 15, 2014
| | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | I would ask if there are clinical trials that your mom can participate in at some point, perhaps not now but when and if she runs out of options.
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 | [quote=Cheryld]I would be asking if they're cetain it's oral cancer related. If it's not then oerhaps there is another chemo that this type of cancer reacts to. Rads to the neck area depending on location can also help. (She can be reradiated) but I would also want to know for sure that this is definitely OC related - dr.s automatically concluded it is but that's not always the case. A friends husband had HPV related BOT cancer. They treated it, they found a nodule in his lung... Assumed it was SCC spread only to find out it was early stage lung cancer (small cell) he was treated for lung cancer and is is now NED. Also there is a place in California that does tumor testing to see the best chemo to treat this with. Hugs. [/quote] hey thanks. Do you know the place in CA? Also, wouldn't it depend on the chemo she has had in the past?
Last edited by Nick V; 09-19-2014 03:36 PM.
CG to mother. Diagnosed with SCC August 08. Surgery Sep 08 to remove right mandible and replace it with fibula from left leg. Also neck dissection with one pos. node. Rad/Chemo with cisplatin completed Nov 30, 2008. Passed away Dec 15, 2014
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | No it depends if on what works against the tumors she has presently - look up cocopops posts she mentioned the name of the center.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 | Can't find anything for cocopops using the search tool
CG to mother. Diagnosed with SCC August 08. Surgery Sep 08 to remove right mandible and replace it with fibula from left leg. Also neck dissection with one pos. node. Rad/Chemo with cisplatin completed Nov 30, 2008. Passed away Dec 15, 2014
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Nick, its actually Caco. Here is her profile where you can view her posts.... Caco's profile ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | Sorry about the misdirection
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 | [quote=donfoo]Hello Nick,
I'm sorry to hear about the new cancer. Has it been diagnosed as recurrence since you mention spreading? Cancer treatment option are influenced by prior cancer diagnosis and treatment.
Since you have already been through one of the common treatment plans - surgery/chemo/rads, you know much about the processes which will guide you along.
Having two sets of ears helps during all medical meetings and keep good notes and write questions down to ask.
If you can post more specifics of the diagnosis that would help get more specific replies.
Don [/quote]
Test is on Tuesday to determine whether it is OC related or a new lung cancer. Mom has been feeling a lot of side effects from the cancer in the lung and yesterday it was determined that this cancer has grown. If this cancer is lung is not OC related (which we are praying for), we will have more treatment options.
Last edited by Nick V; 10-25-2014 04:55 PM.
CG to mother. Diagnosed with SCC August 08. Surgery Sep 08 to remove right mandible and replace it with fibula from left leg. Also neck dissection with one pos. node. Rad/Chemo with cisplatin completed Nov 30, 2008. Passed away Dec 15, 2014
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | Yup.. Lung cancer actually responds remarkably well to chemo.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 | Unfortunately it is not lung cancer...Chemo has not been effective either
CG to mother. Diagnosed with SCC August 08. Surgery Sep 08 to remove right mandible and replace it with fibula from left leg. Also neck dissection with one pos. node. Rad/Chemo with cisplatin completed Nov 30, 2008. Passed away Dec 15, 2014
| | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF Kiwi Down Under" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,024 | I am so sorry to hear this Nick. Are you able to get another opinion. Try another type of chemo? Thinking of you and your Mum. Tammy
Caregiver/advocate to Husband Kris age 59@ diagnosis DX Dec '10 SCC BOT T4aN2bM0 HPV+ve.Cisplatin x3 35 IMRT. PET 6/11 clear. R) level 2-4 neck dissection 8/1/11 to remove residual node - necrotic with NED Feb '12 Ca back.. 3/8/12 total glossectomy/laryngectomy/bilat neck dissection/partial pharyngectomy etc. clear margins. All nodes negative for disease. PEG in. March 2017 - 5 years disease free. Woohoo!
| | | | Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,606 Likes: 2 | Sorry to hear the news, Nick_V. I hope the medical team finds some options for your mother.
SCC Stage IV, BOT, T2N2bM0 Cisplatin/5FU x 3, 40 days radiation Diagnosis 07/21/03 tx completed 10/08/03 Post Radiation Lower Motor Neuron Syndrome 3/08. Cervical Spinal Stenosis 01/11 Cervical Myelitis 09/12 Thoracic Paraplegia 10/12 Dysautonomia 11/12 Hospice care 09/12-01/13. COPD 01/14 Intermittent CHF 6/15 Feeding tube NPO 03/16 VFI 12/2016 ORN 12/2017 Cardiac Event 06/2018 Bilateral VFI 01/2021 Thoracotomy Bilobectomy 01/2022 Bilateral VFI 05/2022 Total Laryngectomy 01/2023
| | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | Sorry to hear this, Nick. Is there any possibility of joining a drug trial where you are?
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | I was going to suggest the same thing, a potential trial drug? See what is available at your cancer center. It's not news you wanted to hear, and sadly scary as hell (been there with my mom - who did have lung cancer) but please try to stay positive - see if they are willing to send her tissue out for matching, I have mentioned it before they have a place in california where they compare her cancer to different chemos to see what works against her/his specific cancer. Hugs and stay strong.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 35 | [quote=Cheryld]I was going to suggest the same thing, a potential trial drug? See what is available at your cancer center. It's not news you wanted to hear, and sadly scary as hell (been there with my mom - who did have lung cancer) but please try to stay positive - see if they are willing to send her tissue out for matching, I have mentioned it before they have a place in california where they compare her cancer to different chemos to see what works against her/his specific cancer. Hugs and stay strong. [/quote]
What is a trial drug?
I went through some of Caco's posts but found nothing on a place that does this in CA. Tried Google as well.
CG to mother. Diagnosed with SCC August 08. Surgery Sep 08 to remove right mandible and replace it with fibula from left leg. Also neck dissection with one pos. node. Rad/Chemo with cisplatin completed Nov 30, 2008. Passed away Dec 15, 2014
| | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | A drug trial is a clinical trial where patients are given new not-yet-approved for general release drugs. The intention is to study the toxicity, or the appropriate dosage, or the drug's effect compared to drugs which are already approved for you. I would think the first person to talk to is your mother's medical oncologist. My husband was in an immunotherapy trial for three months. It didn't help him but some other patients in the trial saw some reduction in tumour size or their tumour stopped growing. It is a way of buying time.
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 | You can search for clinical trials, both U.S. and international, at clinicaltrials.gov. You can narrow the results by disease, location, age, gender and other criteria.
Leslie
April 2006: Husband dx by dentist with leukoplakia on tongue. Oral surgeon's biopsy 4/28/06: Moderate dysplasia; pathology report warned of possible "skip effect." ENT's excisional biopsy (got it all) 5/31/06: SCC in situ/small bit superficially invasive. Early detection saves lives.
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | Hi there - with regards to CA - I'm listed on facebook friend me coco pop's daughter is my friend she can give you some information on CA. Hugs...
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
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