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Hi all
First I want to thank you because I learned a lot from reading from your personnal experiences and advices.
My brother (52 years old) was diagnosticed with oral cancer on his left tonsils and a metastase on a cervical ganglion in October 2013 .He since had 3 neck surgery couldn t get a clear margin and had radiation (70 Gy over 7 weeks) and 3 cycles of cisplatin.He just finished treatment didnt get Gfeeding -had to be hospitalised for severe pain and dehydratation.I just came back from visiting him and although he is weak I know he is going to gain his strength back.I can tell he is worried about the efficacy of the treatment and since there are no marker what are the best way to monitor that the cancer is not coming back.What is the schedule?and which test are done?Thank you so much for your answers.


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Dx 10/13 ,HPV+ tonsil T1 N2 M0
3 surgeries 11/13 (no clear margin)
1/14 started rad:70Gy and 3 cycles of cisplatin
finished treatement 3/14
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Hi, cocofrance
First of all, welcome to the OCF - glad you are here, sorry you have to be. It is wonderful you were able to be with your brother to help him. It must be hard to be so far away now.

If you go to this page on the OCF website - http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/treatment/guidelines.php

and scroll down a bit, you will find a .pdf on Treatment Guildlines. If you click on it and look at the follow-up recommendations, you will see that, typically, a physical exam would be performed every 1-3 months during the first year.

In the US, it is common for a follow-up MRI or PET/CT scan to be performed about 3 months after the completion of treatment. It is possible for both of these to show false positive, but if they are clear it is a very good sign.

Best wishes to you both.
Maria


CG to husband - SCC Tonsil T1N2M0 HPV+ Never Smoker
First symptoms 7/2010, DX 12/2010
TX 40 IRMT (1.8 gy) + 10 Cetuximab
PET Scans 6/2011 + 3/2012 clear, 5 year physical exam clear; chest CT's clear of cancer. On thyroid pills. Life is good.
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Hi Maria
Thank you so much for the advice.Will be most helpful.I think now that treatment is done he was expected his oncologue to reassure him and it wasn t the case last week.Doctor was vague if cancer can come back and where...He just finish his last chemo on 3/4 so I think he will get MRI or PET/CT scan in 3 months.
Thank you so much for your response
Corinne


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Dx 10/13 ,HPV+ tonsil T1 N2 M0
3 surgeries 11/13 (no clear margin)
1/14 started rad:70Gy and 3 cycles of cisplatin
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Welcome to OCF. Im sorry your brother has been thru this.

The fear of a recurrence is something we all deal with. After going thru the brutal treatments its one of all of our worst fears.

After finishing rads, recovery can be a long road. It can get frustrating having ups and downs. Seems like every time a patient begins to feel human again, they will take a couple steps backwards. Usually after about 3 months post rads most patients are doing much better and 6 months post rads, they are even better. A complete recovery can take a full 2 years for everything to get back to as normal as it will be for the patient.

Best wishes to your brother with his recovery.


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-65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr
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Hi Cocofrance - welcome to the family. I am 3 months post radiation treatment (no chemo) and am seeing those after treatment effects discussed above, though they are only mouth and throat tenderness when eating. Improvement seems to be coming slower than I expected.

With multiple surgeries and then both radiation and chemo your brother may be uncomfortable for awhile to come.

If he is capable, get him to join this forum also. The direct contact between him and others will be beneficial to him in ways a caregiver can't address.

Tony


Tony, 69, non-smoker, aerobatics pilot, bridge player/teacher, avid dancer (ballroom, latin, swing, country)

09/13 SCC, HPV 16, tonsillectomy, T2N0.
11/13 start rads, no chemo
12/13 taste gone, dry mouth,
02/14 hair slowly returning
05/14 taste the same, dry sinuses, irrigation helps.
01/15 food taste about 60% returned, dry sinuses are worse in winter.
12/20 no more sinus problems, taste pretty good

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Hi
Thank you for your responses.I just wanted to make sure that in France the follow up is to the same standard than in US.So it seems that a PET scan to be peformed 3 months after treatment and physical every 1-3 months and check his TSH level.
What is your take on PET scan versus MRI or CT? Is it nocif for health?
My brother english is not that great otherwise it would be great for him to join.
Thanks


51 years old brother
Dx 10/13 ,HPV+ tonsil T1 N2 M0
3 surgeries 11/13 (no clear margin)
1/14 started rad:70Gy and 3 cycles of cisplatin
finished treatement 3/14
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If where you are treated they have all three pieces of equipment then you are lucky. I hope others will weigh in on the benefits of one approach over the others.

Where I am treated they have only CT available; so I've never yet had an MRI or PET.


Tony, 69, non-smoker, aerobatics pilot, bridge player/teacher, avid dancer (ballroom, latin, swing, country)

09/13 SCC, HPV 16, tonsillectomy, T2N0.
11/13 start rads, no chemo
12/13 taste gone, dry mouth,
02/14 hair slowly returning
05/14 taste the same, dry sinuses, irrigation helps.
01/15 food taste about 60% returned, dry sinuses are worse in winter.
12/20 no more sinus problems, taste pretty good

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There is general consensus or set standard for scheduled scanning after treatment with a PET/CT, MRI or CT scan, in absence of any suspicion for cancer. NCCN guidlines do recommend post treatment scanning, 3-6 months, but only for T3, T4 disease for oropharynx, larynx cancers, and oral cancer is not mentioned as one. It's basically up to the doctor, and hospital's policy. They do have other set scheduling for physical, visual and palpable examination the first year every 3-6 weeks, then progressively further apart each year, and chest x-ray yearly, TSH testing at least twice a year.

My scanning at several CCC seem to be 3 months post treatment, then 6 months after that. I never made it past that without a recurrence, but it would go to yearly, probably after the first year. Mine were all PET/CT scans, around 14, but one time I needed an MRI to help identify a smaller area that was too scattered on the PET scanning. My ENT wanted to do a CT last time, seems they alternate PET/CT then a CT, but my RO insisted on a PET/CT, which is highly sensitive, and can detect cancer as small as 5mm vs CT and MRI that is usually larger than 1cm. The PET did identify a tumor that was 3mm x 7mm in my cervical neck.

As to which type they use also depends on what thier looking for or at. In genetal CT is good for bone, is the cheaper and most often used. MRI is good soft tissue, blood, and vein lines, PET/CT the whole body. CT and MRI may show false positives after surgery since they may not be able to differentiate between that and a tumor, but the PET/CT works on metabolic activity, but can show false positives too due to being highly sensitive. In general, the least accurate is a CT, then an MRI and PET/CT, but again depends, and sometimes more than one type test may be required. Upon diagnosis I had a CT showing tumor activity, but then was a sceduled for a PET/CTto show the whole body activity, and scope larger than the CT.

I hope this helps.


10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
06/11 30 HBO
08/11 RND PNI
06/12 SND PNI LVI
08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
10/13 SND
10/13 TBO/Angiograph
10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
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Hi
I can't tell you how much I appreciate all your responses.
Thank you Paul for your detailed answer it is most helpful!I now have a better understanding of the follow up schedule.
One more question I am going to throw there, he started to take some aloe vera berberis drops.I am a pharmacist and told him that I didn t think it was a good idea because I read that the aloe latex can be mutagenic.Anybody has an opinion?
When you are not feeling good it is always easy to hope that you found the miracle drug .
Best wishes for all of you.


51 years old brother
Dx 10/13 ,HPV+ tonsil T1 N2 M0
3 surgeries 11/13 (no clear margin)
1/14 started rad:70Gy and 3 cycles of cisplatin
finished treatement 3/14
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As you well know, the problem with herbals and vitamin supplementation is that in general, we don't really know, one way or another. For example, if you google 'vitamin E neck and neck cancer' you will find a variety of studies with conflicting results. My husband's MO basically said no extra antioxidants DURING treatment. Since your brother is past treatment, it is probably not as critical, although the mutagenic part would flip me out.
I know this isn't much of an answer. Before his death, my dad (who scorned the medical establishment) took all sorts of stuff. I would carefully look up each new item so see if there was anything alarming associated with it. If there was, I would print the article, and give it to him, but at that point it was his choice, and my nagging him would have been counter-productive.
Take care,
Maria


CG to husband - SCC Tonsil T1N2M0 HPV+ Never Smoker
First symptoms 7/2010, DX 12/2010
TX 40 IRMT (1.8 gy) + 10 Cetuximab
PET Scans 6/2011 + 3/2012 clear, 5 year physical exam clear; chest CT's clear of cancer. On thyroid pills. Life is good.
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