| Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 76 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 76 | It was supposed to be "Happy" New Year. No luck on that. My husband had the three-month followup CT yesterday following the radiation treatment for lung mets on right hilar nodes. All was looking good till the radiologist (or whoever reads the scans) really put his eyes to the scan late yesterday and discovered two more spots on the left side. Biopsy by a pulmonary interventionist next week.
We had a lovely 20-hour hiatus form immediate worry till the return call today.
Not feeling the devastation I felt last April on initial discovery of mets to lungs. Remaining entirely optimistic that there will be another option for a round of treatment of some sort, depending on biopsy findings.
Kids and hubby all out of house right now, so license to write, and cry just a little. Thank you.
Best, mary
Mary Caregiver to husband, 60 Dx Sept '12 SCC BOT T2N2aMo, Stage IV, HPV+ Oct '12 Sub.Gland transfer Nov-Dec '12 IMRT x 33 + cisplatin x7 March '13 PET/CT: 2 spots on lungs; (BOT & neck lymphs NED) April '13 Biopsy: 1 = malignant right hilar lymph (met from HNSCC)p16 9/13: 33 rounds IMRT to lungs; carboplatinx7 CT w/contrast 12/30/13: 2 spots left hilar lymph. biopsy confirms SCC 30 rounds IMRT to left lung; treatment ended 5/29/14 Sept 2014--CT clear; December 2014 CT clear
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 | I'm sorry to hear Mary, and hope the biopsy proves only scar tissue or something else. Unfortionately, it's wait and see until then, but otherwise carry on your lives as best you can under the circumstances. Waiting is the worst. I wish you, your husband and rest of your family a better 2014.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 118 Likes: 1 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 118 Likes: 1 | I too am sorry to hear this, Mary. Maintain hope. Even if the spots show cancer I am quite sure there will be treatment.
Be well. Zenda 12/04 SCC Tonsil, Stage IV T3N2BM0. Mod RND, resect right oropharynx, free-flap, resect right tongue base. Erbitux,Docetaxel,RT X 33. 6/08 Mets lung, hilar lymph node:Carboplatin, Docetaxel. 2010 2nd clinical trial:lung clear, node stable. ORN,trismus,dysphagia. 8-10/2012 cryoablation,brachytherapy,cyberknife to lymph node. 12/12 NED. 6/13 Mets RLL lung: 8/13 cyberknife. 11/13 NED.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 6 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 6 | Im very sorry to hear your bad news! Im sure you are devastated. Please try your very best to think positive.
Best thing you can do is to get your husband seen for at least a second opinion at a CCC. They are his best chance to beat this. Remember, there are several members (including myself) who have gotten thru recurrences.
Best wishes! ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Mary,
I'm certainly not a doctor but here's my story:
At my first scan post Tx (appx 3 months) I was told by one of my cancer docs that I had 2 spots in the upper part of one of my lungs that "could not be excluded" but he said "don't worry" (yeah right) "we'll wait 3 months and take another scan. Three LONG months passed and the second scan showed that the first 2 spots had CLEARED (great news) but 2 more spots that "could not be excluded" had developed in the lower part of the same lung. Doc said "not to worry" (yeah right) "we'll wait 3 more months and take another scan". Three MORE LONG months passed and this scan came back ALL CLEAR.
Hope this repeats itself for you!
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 76 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 76 | Thank you all for your thoughts, observations and shared personal experiences. They all helped me get through this day (so far) in a far better way than I would have otherwise. I will keep you posted on the tests next week.
Meanwhile i keep going back to the words of wisdom I've read many times on this site: it's not cancer till the biopsy says it is.
Mary
Mary Caregiver to husband, 60 Dx Sept '12 SCC BOT T2N2aMo, Stage IV, HPV+ Oct '12 Sub.Gland transfer Nov-Dec '12 IMRT x 33 + cisplatin x7 March '13 PET/CT: 2 spots on lungs; (BOT & neck lymphs NED) April '13 Biopsy: 1 = malignant right hilar lymph (met from HNSCC)p16 9/13: 33 rounds IMRT to lungs; carboplatinx7 CT w/contrast 12/30/13: 2 spots left hilar lymph. biopsy confirms SCC 30 rounds IMRT to left lung; treatment ended 5/29/14 Sept 2014--CT clear; December 2014 CT clear
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,291 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,291 Likes: 1 | [quote]Meanwhile i keep going back to the words of wisdom I've read many times on this site: it's not cancer till the biopsy says it is. [/quote]Make this your mantra, chanted every time one of those nasty thoughts or worries enters your mind.
You KNOW you are already on a cancer journey, so no need to spend any time worrying about that. You KNOW recurrence is a possibility for any cancer survivor, so no need to worry about that. You KNOW it is not cancer until biopsied, so no need to worry about that.
Naturally, you are stressed and anxiety ridden with worry while waiting but we all manage worry every day. So, just do your best to hold the image of no more cancer until you KNOW otherwise.
Hang in there, Don
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 76 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 76 | Well i guess the silver lining is that the biopsy procedure is scheduled for tomorrow morning. I am grateful that we will have answers in 4 or 5 days. These spots were not there 6 months ago so it is incredibly hard to be calm but i am trying.
Mary Caregiver to husband, 60 Dx Sept '12 SCC BOT T2N2aMo, Stage IV, HPV+ Oct '12 Sub.Gland transfer Nov-Dec '12 IMRT x 33 + cisplatin x7 March '13 PET/CT: 2 spots on lungs; (BOT & neck lymphs NED) April '13 Biopsy: 1 = malignant right hilar lymph (met from HNSCC)p16 9/13: 33 rounds IMRT to lungs; carboplatinx7 CT w/contrast 12/30/13: 2 spots left hilar lymph. biopsy confirms SCC 30 rounds IMRT to left lung; treatment ended 5/29/14 Sept 2014--CT clear; December 2014 CT clear
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 |
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | Hey mary there is hope... check out the posting by missymoo in the survivors section. Her dad had lung cancer and oral cancer and another mets and he's NED. I am just not sure if it is lung mets or lung cancer... anyway.. she listed his treatment plan... maybe that is something for you to bring up with the drs. hugs.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 76 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 76 | Cheryl--Good find. I never looked at the Survivor forum before. Now I will read it; what a lift.
Best, Mary
Mary Caregiver to husband, 60 Dx Sept '12 SCC BOT T2N2aMo, Stage IV, HPV+ Oct '12 Sub.Gland transfer Nov-Dec '12 IMRT x 33 + cisplatin x7 March '13 PET/CT: 2 spots on lungs; (BOT & neck lymphs NED) April '13 Biopsy: 1 = malignant right hilar lymph (met from HNSCC)p16 9/13: 33 rounds IMRT to lungs; carboplatinx7 CT w/contrast 12/30/13: 2 spots left hilar lymph. biopsy confirms SCC 30 rounds IMRT to left lung; treatment ended 5/29/14 Sept 2014--CT clear; December 2014 CT clear
| | | | Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 76 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | OP Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 76 | Just checking in to follow up on the previous posts. There was another PET and CT done this week. The good news is that the cancer is still confined to the hilar lymph nodes of the left lung. The other areas of concern on January's PET have turned out to be either radiation-related opacity that is now healing--or a slightly cracked rib that is now also healing.
So the two spots on the left side will be treated with 30-some doses of radiation starting on April 15th. Whether to use concurrent chemo to enhance the rads has not yet been determined. If new radiation field has any overlap with previous radiation field, then chemo may not be used, as this would evidently cause too much intensity to tissues that fall into the overlap area. Yesterday was the planning scan, so we should know that info soon.
All in all, the week's news was good. The nodes have increased in size (1.2 to 1.6), but remain stable.
Best to All, Mary
Mary Caregiver to husband, 60 Dx Sept '12 SCC BOT T2N2aMo, Stage IV, HPV+ Oct '12 Sub.Gland transfer Nov-Dec '12 IMRT x 33 + cisplatin x7 March '13 PET/CT: 2 spots on lungs; (BOT & neck lymphs NED) April '13 Biopsy: 1 = malignant right hilar lymph (met from HNSCC)p16 9/13: 33 rounds IMRT to lungs; carboplatinx7 CT w/contrast 12/30/13: 2 spots left hilar lymph. biopsy confirms SCC 30 rounds IMRT to left lung; treatment ended 5/29/14 Sept 2014--CT clear; December 2014 CT clear
| | | | Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Assistant Admin Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,275 Likes: 7 | That's good news, Mary. Wishing you luck moving forward.
Gloria She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards
Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016. | | | | Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 319 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 319 | Hi Mary,
I hate to say this, but distant mets mean you have entered the great "Whack-a-mole" contest. I've been playing this for the last three years and it's actually not so bad, it just involves a LOT of treatment, mostly chemo of one form or another.
My experience is that it usually take 4 months, and then which ever batch of tumors you are treating is defeated, and you have maybe 4-6 weeks before a PET scan to evaluate your progress and determine that there is NED.
90 days later, you get the first follow-up PET, and new tumors have showed up to join the festivities. No big deal, just "rinse and repeat."
I've found this to be very low-key and nothing like the stress you encounter when you get the news the first time, because by now you are both battle-hardened veterans and know how these things go. Very much UNLIKE your first introduction to the disease. Some caveats and some gratis advice:
When going to an appointment to learn about where you stand, it's important to not attach to the outcome. No matter what you learn, you are learning what is and not what you'd like. Don't think of it as "good news" pr "bad news;" rather think of it as simple information, because that is what it is.
Some times the news IS good news, other times it is not; it's simply the truth.
I know it's a clich�, but the fact is that while it may not always be welcome, the truth is always the truth and it's easiest to deal with when you know it.
Stay on top of your nutrition and hydration. Accept the fact that you will need the same daily MINIMUM water intake of 48 oz for the rest of your life. The water will be crucial to keeping constipation at bay, and equally crucial in carrying the bi-products of the treatment away (toxins and dead cells) before it can make you so nauseated.
(Actually, EVERYBODY should drink 48 Oz water daily, but I digress...)
Join a gym and start to lift weights. You don't have to go for the Muscle Beach look, you are going to build muscle; mass, density and strength.
This will pay off two ways; being fit will help deal with the chemo in ways you can't even imagine (and the odds are hugely in favor of having more chemo along the way,) and being fit will also help deal with the effects of radiation poisoning.
I'm 75 (next month) and my MO told me plainly that he would not normally even consider the latest round of radiation for a man of my age, but was confident that my superb level of fitness made him confident that I would sail through it. And I pretty much have done that.
OK, that's it, thanks for reading. And good luck!!!
Bart
Last edited by Bart; 04-07-2014 02:59 PM.
My intro: http://oralcancersupport.org/forums/ubbt...3644#Post16364409/09 - Dx OC Stg IV 10/09 - Chemo/3 Cisplatin, 40 rad 11/09 - PET CLEAN 07/11 - Dx Stage IV C. (Liver) 06/12 - PET CLEAN 09/12 - PET Dist Met (Liver) 04/13 - PET CLEAN 06/13 - PET Dist Met (Liver + 1 lymph node) 10/13 - PET - Xeloda ineffective 11/13 - Liver packed w/ SIRI-Spheres 02/14 - PET - Siri-Spheres effective, 4cm tumor in lymph-node 03/15 - Begin 15 Rads 03/24 - Final Rad! Woot! 7/27/14 Bart passed away. RIP!
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