| Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 | I saw my RO yesterday for a return to work authorization so I could get back to business Monday, exactly two months after wrapping up chemoradiation. Instead I got an urgent CT appt. for Monday and a followup appt. with a surgeon. I have an ulcer/soft tissue necrosis. It's right where they excised a cancerous retrophangeal node and within the area most heavily radiated.
If neighboring tissue doesn't light up it's "just" necrosis and HBO treatments are likely. If it does light up a biopsy is in order. They don't want to biopsy it immediately because apparently that can make necrosis worse.
[sigh]
Chemoradiation knocked me for a loop. I made it through all of my radiation, but only 1 and 1/2 cisplatin megadoses. I couldn't keep ANY food down for 32 days and wound up in the hospital for 8 nights after treatment ended. Recently I really turned the corner and have been feeling pretty good, just the usual side effects.
How likely is it that the cancer could recur in the area most heavily treated?
We're decorating our Christmas tree today. I'd been in celebration mode until this development, it's hard not to feel its shadow.
53 T3N2aM0 HPV+ 5/26/13 discovered painless superball-sized lymph node in neck 6/26/13 DX SCC R palatine tonsil 7/16/13 TORS tonsillectomy & selective ND, mets to 2 nodes 9/3/13 Cisplatin and rads begin, tolerated 1.5 of 3 planned chemo doses 10/16/13 Treatment ends Dec 13 Ulcer appears at surgery site Jan 17 Biopsy -- no cancer! Feb 17 CT/PET Scan lights up tonsil bed & nasal cavity, docs say probably inflammation, don't panic, rescan when ulcer subsides
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 | Anything is possible, as well as necrosis. The doctors are doing the right thing by following up. As for now, there is not much you can do, except try to enjoy your holidays, and deal with the results as they come in, which is easy to say, and been there many times myself. Keeping busy helps. With the holidays there is no shortage of that, plenty of movies, specials in TV, foods, events, friends and family visiting, celebration.
Good luck.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | I will be hoping it's just necrosis... And ulcers are the norm post treatment, fingers crossed.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 269 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 269 | Praying and hoping for the best. xo
Nancy (53 at dx) Metastatic SCC. Stage III. HPV positive with occult primary. N1, no ecs 7/1/11 - L-Selective neck dissection. Tonsillectomy. All clean. No rad, no chemo. 5/29/13 - Found primary 7/3/13 - TORS 7/8/13 - Emergency Surgery/Blood vessel burst in throat 8/9/13 - Peg in 9/3/13 - Radiation starts 30 IMRT, 60gy BOT, 56gy both sides of neck 10/14/13 - Radiation ended! 11/12/13 - PEG out!
| | | | Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 559 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 559 Likes: 1 | It's just like Paul said above, stay busy and refuse to worry about what this is or isn't. If it's cancer, then we will all fight it together, you know you will get all the support in the world from your brothers and sisters here. If it's not, we will rejoice together. Whatever happens, we will accept it and move on, ever positive about the future.
It really is as simple as that.
Keep fighting the fight.
Tony
Tony, 69, non-smoker, aerobatics pilot, bridge player/teacher, avid dancer (ballroom, latin, swing, country)
09/13 SCC, HPV 16, tonsillectomy, T2N0. 11/13 start rads, no chemo 12/13 taste gone, dry mouth, 02/14 hair slowly returning 05/14 taste the same, dry sinuses, irrigation helps. 01/15 food taste about 60% returned, dry sinuses are worse in winter. 12/20 no more sinus problems, taste pretty good
| | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,291 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,291 Likes: 1 | [quote]How likely is it that the cancer could recur in the area most heavily treated? [/quote]Based on your sig, you finished rads around 6 weeks ago. I'm no expert and no long time member but I'd place a BIG bet it is not recurrence so early after rads, especially if the results of the surgery were good and declared clear margins.
Don Male, 57 - Great health except C Dec '12 DX: BOT SCC T2N2bMx, Stage 4a, HPV+, multiple nodes 1 tooth out Jan '13 2nd tooth out Tumor Board -induction TPF (3 cycles), seq CRT 4-6/2013 CRT 70gr 2x35, weekly carbo150 ended 5/29,6/4 All the details, join at http://beatdown.cognacom.com | | | | Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 | Thank you all for your support and calming words. I was lucky to get an early Wednesday appointment with the surgeon, so happily no long wait for the diagnosis. Sorry to have sounded so very pathetic, I was definitely feeling sorry for myself.
53 T3N2aM0 HPV+ 5/26/13 discovered painless superball-sized lymph node in neck 6/26/13 DX SCC R palatine tonsil 7/16/13 TORS tonsillectomy & selective ND, mets to 2 nodes 9/3/13 Cisplatin and rads begin, tolerated 1.5 of 3 planned chemo doses 10/16/13 Treatment ends Dec 13 Ulcer appears at surgery site Jan 17 Biopsy -- no cancer! Feb 17 CT/PET Scan lights up tonsil bed & nasal cavity, docs say probably inflammation, don't panic, rescan when ulcer subsides
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 | It was not pathetic or feeling sorry for yourself. It's a true concern about your health. Even if so, never worry for your feelings, whatever gets you by, how you feel at the time, and can change as the weather does. That's a real person to me.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 26 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 26 | This is a place where you can say it like you feel it -we've all had worried times.
SCC Started in the right tonsil they think, T1N2bM1 HPV+ Lots of nodes involved including some near the carotid - didn't come out during neck dissection Distant Met's - one in the mediastinum, some suspicious stuff in the lungs Radiation 70 Gy in 35 fraction Cisplatin - 3 Stereotactic rad to the mediastinum Clean PET Apr 13 Clean PET Aug 13 Clean PET Dec 13 Clean CT with contrast Mar 14 Clean CT with contrast Sept 14 Clean CT with contrast Feb 15
| | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | It's good you got an appointment so early. We've all worried and waited and it is NOT "feeling sorry for yourself". It is having compassion for yourself and that's a good thing when it gets you to take action like you just did. Hang in there.
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 269 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 269 | So very glad your appt is tmw. Will wait with you to hear.
Nancy (53 at dx) Metastatic SCC. Stage III. HPV positive with occult primary. N1, no ecs 7/1/11 - L-Selective neck dissection. Tonsillectomy. All clean. No rad, no chemo. 5/29/13 - Found primary 7/3/13 - TORS 7/8/13 - Emergency Surgery/Blood vessel burst in throat 8/9/13 - Peg in 9/3/13 - Radiation starts 30 IMRT, 60gy BOT, 56gy both sides of neck 10/14/13 - Radiation ended! 11/12/13 - PEG out!
| | | | Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 | Great news, my biopsy was negative for cancer! I did have one area of "abnormal cellular activity," which the docs think is due to inflammation. So the mysterious sore that showed up months post-treatment is a rare late-onset radiation ulcer. It's particularly puzzling since I actually had very few mouth sores during treatment. In my head I've worked it around to reassuring evidence that the rads did blast the heck out of my tonsil cancer! Next week the docs will start me on a vascularization drug to promote healing of the ulcer. They're reluctant to go straight to HBO, I'm not sure why. Now that we know this isn't a recurrence I'm realizing how truly frightened I was. Neither surgery nor radiation would have been good options. But since it looks like I'm going to live, I guess I will have to start doing the laundry again and work as though I want to keep my job . Thank you all for the warm and steady words of encouragement, you have brought me through yet another storm -- I'd be sunk without you. Hugs, Lynn
53 T3N2aM0 HPV+ 5/26/13 discovered painless superball-sized lymph node in neck 6/26/13 DX SCC R palatine tonsil 7/16/13 TORS tonsillectomy & selective ND, mets to 2 nodes 9/3/13 Cisplatin and rads begin, tolerated 1.5 of 3 planned chemo doses 10/16/13 Treatment ends Dec 13 Ulcer appears at surgery site Jan 17 Biopsy -- no cancer! Feb 17 CT/PET Scan lights up tonsil bed & nasal cavity, docs say probably inflammation, don't panic, rescan when ulcer subsides
| | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,671 | So happy for the great news, Lynn! It's always SO wonderful to get good news after the awful waiting for results. YES! Now you can live, laugh and love! Don't just do laundry, though. Do something fun!
Anne-Marie CG to son, Paul (age 33, non-smoker) SCC Stage 2, Surgery 9/21/06, 1/6 tongue Rt.side removed, +48 lymph nodes neck. IMRTx28 completed 12/19/06. CT scan 7/8/10 Cancer-free! ("spot" on lung from scar tissue related to Pneumonia.)
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | Yeah!!!! The fear is always there - it lessens with time, but it is still there... Hbo as far as I know is very expensive and very disruptive (an hour or two daily for 20 days?) for a mouth ulcer. It sounds a little like overkill. I had a Nasty ass ulcer that became an issue for about three weeks and this was almost a year after radiation - I think it was a hold over to be honest. It may have been there from the end of radiation but untreated it got deeper more it irritated, and painful etc. Anyway it looked like it was either where one of the rad beams entered or exited my mouth./tongue (There was a matching burn area the same size and shape across from it on my lower cheek - internal - I actually was purplish. Anyway my ENT prescribed oracort - directions said use twice a day - that helped only minutely - so then I made a habit of keeping the area super clean, after every meal or drink I rinsed or cleaned my mouth then applied the oracort - within three weeks it was gone. hopefully this will heal quickly for you.. Do try to keep the area clean and minimize irritation to the area if you can. Hugs
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Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
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David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jun 2013 Posts: 262 | Thank you! You're right, Anne-Marie; laundry is no way to mark this occasion.
Cheryl, you're not kidding these ulcers can be nasty. After being almost off my PEG, I can no longer eat even with magic mouthwash. I only needed oxy 2 or 3 times during treatment, and now I'm on it 24/7. Worst is that it hurts terribly to talk. Maybe HBO would be overkill, but if there's no improvement at the 8-week mark I will press for options.
WHEW squared, David!
53 T3N2aM0 HPV+ 5/26/13 discovered painless superball-sized lymph node in neck 6/26/13 DX SCC R palatine tonsil 7/16/13 TORS tonsillectomy & selective ND, mets to 2 nodes 9/3/13 Cisplatin and rads begin, tolerated 1.5 of 3 planned chemo doses 10/16/13 Treatment ends Dec 13 Ulcer appears at surgery site Jan 17 Biopsy -- no cancer! Feb 17 CT/PET Scan lights up tonsil bed & nasal cavity, docs say probably inflammation, don't panic, rescan when ulcer subsides
| | | | Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 2 Member | Member Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 2 | Thanks for this thread. I am pretty much right where you were. The PET scan shows reason for concern after treatment, and I have new sores making it difficult to eat, after having felt that part was over.
Unfortunately in my case I have to wait a few more weeks to see my ENT.
Diagnosed 8/13 SCC BOT T2N2bM0 P16 positive IMRT and low dose chemo ending 11/13 Penrose Cancer Center PET scan 1/14 (not clean)
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | Don't wait - go sit in his office and wait for a cancellation.. ;o) hugs
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 756 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 756 Likes: 1 | Mamacita,
I am so glad to hear the great news! I am sure you are relieved.
I also had mouth ulcers during RT and then for months after treatment ended. I wasn't able to eat solid foods and was on pain killers for a long time (fentanyl plus lortab) plus the magic mouthwash and another mouth wash.
My doctor discussed HBO with me also but put me on a drug called trental along with vitamin E first. This did help somewhat with my mouth ulcers, but I did end up going through HBO because of the ulcers and some other issues that developed. HBO is time consuming and expensive, but it did help.
Wishing you the best!
Susan
SCC R-Lateral tongue, T1N0M0 Age 47 at Dx, non-smoker, casual drinker, HPV- Surgery: June 2005 RT: Feb-Apr 2006 HBOT: 45 in 2008; 30 in 2013; 30 in 2022 -> Total 105! Recurrence/Surgeries: Jan & Apr 2010 Biopsy 2/2011: Moderate dysplasia Surgery 4/2011: Mild dysplasia Dental issues: 2013-2022 (ORN)
| | | | Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 559 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 559 Likes: 1 | Mamacita - I too am glad to hear the good news. Sorry you have such dull choices to celebrate, like doing laundry and working for a living. A week on a warm, sun bathed beach somewhere in the tropics with a frozen margarita seems more appropriate than the overcast and frozen snow covered north that is Wisconsin in winter.
But what I really wanted to say was I noticed what you said about the members of the forum family pulling you through this.
I was talking to someone just the other day and she said that I was so lucky to have a lot of friends that helped get me through it. At first I agreed as I am blessed to have a lot of friends who kept up with me, and called me, and offered to do things for me (driving, shopping, house cleaning, etc). But then all of a sudden I realized they weren't the ones who kept me sane through this ordeal. It was my brothers and sisters here on the forum that did that, people from all over the U.S., from Canada, even from Europe; people who answered my posts in the middle of the night because I couldn't sleep, people who knew just what to say to reassure me that I was okay, I was going to get through this just fine. What they did was incredibly important, and occured at just the right time.
Tony
Tony, 69, non-smoker, aerobatics pilot, bridge player/teacher, avid dancer (ballroom, latin, swing, country)
09/13 SCC, HPV 16, tonsillectomy, T2N0. 11/13 start rads, no chemo 12/13 taste gone, dry mouth, 02/14 hair slowly returning 05/14 taste the same, dry sinuses, irrigation helps. 01/15 food taste about 60% returned, dry sinuses are worse in winter. 12/20 no more sinus problems, taste pretty good
| | | | Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 105 "OCF Canuck" Senior Member (100+ posts) | "OCF Canuck" Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 105 | Whoohooo Lynn, congratulations to you. My hubby and I got a scare before his radiation but I kept thinking 'its inflammation'. It was only once we got the good news and he was finaly all clear that I realized just how on nerve ends I was. Yooopeeee happy for you. As for the sandy beach, that's exactly where I told my husband I wanted to lay for a couple of weeks, and I am not usually the type but right now it would be so good and so right! Sophie
husband 61@diagnosis painter 6/9/13 Exophylic invasive SCC IV(ext.gingivobuccal) 3cm+ mandibular/lytic/erosion, jugular/node9mmshort-axis 17/9/13 Dx(moderately aggressive) 24/10/13 left madiblectomy, mod radical neck disct, leg flap, NGtube 2/01/14 (30 tx)rads 60gy N2b (2nodes under jaw) (rem. in tiny nerves) (rem. 30 nodes) Clear margin, close 2mm inner cheek 15/05/14 cellulitis 3/12/14 Chest CT Clear 27/02/15 cellulitis 8/6/15 cellulitis 10/6/15 Osteomyelitis
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