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I assume that this is crapolla? It's been making the rounds on Facebook...


The message claims that Graviola, also called Soursop is a miraculous, natural cancer cell killer which is 10,000 times stronger than Chemotherapy. It is a fact that Soursop has certain health benefits, attributed to its anti-parasitic, anti-microbial and anti-depressive properties, and recent studies have shown that it MAY have chemotherapeutic potential, but the part of the message saying it is natural cancer cell killer, 10,000 times stronger than Chemotherapy, is a certain hoax.

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Pain late 2009. Dx as change in altitude. Sore spot on tongue late 2010. Dx as irritation.
Leukoplakia Bx Feb 2011 - Lichen Planus.
Bx May 2011 - Hyperplasia. Same sample retested as SCC.
June 2011 Rt Hemigloss,ND,rff,33 Rads. Hosp for 15 days w/bi-lateral pneumonia.
T3N1M0 Stage IV.
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Of course this is a hoax!!!! If there was a cure for cancer it would already be on the market and everyone would know about it. I really hate the people who put these things out and make it sound so believable that it makes you second guess if its real or not. Darn scammers!!!! Then there are the ones who are trying to make money off cancer patients, I dont know which bunch is worse.

Facebook is the perfect venue for hoaxes as it is unmonitored. Things like this will spread like wildfire and there is no one to remove the garbage.


Christine
SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44
2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07
-65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr
Clear PET 1/08
4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I
surg 4/16/08 clr marg
215 HBO dives
3/09 teeth out, trismus
7/2/09 recur, Stg IV
8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy
3wks medicly inducd coma
2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit
PICC line IV antibx 8 mo
10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg
OC 3x in 3 years
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Christine
Thanks for deleting the link to such scurrilous nonsense.

Shauneen:

You need to get a better class of Facebook friends but in the meantime, let them know I have a bridge in Brooklyn that I inherited and can sell to them, plus I have a banker friend in Nigeria with a great deal for them- wink
First it is NOT a fact that Sorusop has any more health benefits than fruit or tea (and fruit and tea are healthful. Instead it's just an assertion by the usual suspects.
Sorusop or graviola is just the fruit and leaves of the guanabana tree (Annona muricata), also known as "soursop," "cherimoya," "custard apple," and "Brazilian paw paw." Yes, medicine men in Peru used it in a tea to "cure cancer" when there was no radiation or chemo. Back in 2007 and 2008, a whole group of these "miracle cures", mostly tea based and including soursop websites were shut down by the Federal Trade Commission for fraud.
There is no valid substantiated study showing that it may have any chemo benefits. Instead. like many many other things that have been proven worthless for treating human cancer, if you take cancer cells and put them in a petri dish, Soursop can kill them. But then what doesn't? Vinegar does, so does bleach. (And Yes, there are nuts who think they can cure cancer based on that.) That's it for the studies- outside of non peer reviewed and unreliable ones out of China and Korea.
This cruel hoax got a new life back in 2011, when a "Doctor" - turns out to have a PhD in Victorian literature not medicine- wrote in a Psychology Today blog and linked to several bogus studies - done overseas and spun the usual conspiracy tale of NIH hiding its own internal evidence of how great this works.
If there is any sure sign of a cancer fraud, it's claiming that NIH is hiding the cure.
So yes, this is total crapolla.
Charm

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If anything else, it makes a good soursop punch.

1 Ripe soursop
1 cup evaporated or regular milk
3/4 cup water
1 dash of bitters
1 dash of almond essence or vanilla
1 can of condensed milk


10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
06/11 30 HBO
08/11 RND PNI
06/12 SND PNI LVI
08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
10/13 SND
10/13 TBO/Angiograph
10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
06/17 Heart Attack Stent
02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs






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Great post Charm,
Your crapolla (oops Graviola) is called custard apple here grin
Every day there is a new cure or two on Facebook..... laugh


History Leukoplakia bx 8/2006 SCC floor mouth T3N0M0- Verrucous Carcinoma.
14 hour 0p SCC-Right ND/excision/marginal mandibulectomy 9/2006, 4 teeth removed, flap from wrist, trach-ng 6 days- no chemo/rad.
6 ops and debulking (flap/tongue join) + bx's 2006-2012.
bx Jan 2012 Hyperkeratosis-Epithelial Dysplasia
24cm GIST tumour removed 8/2013. Indefinite Oral Chemo.

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It's a cherimoya here.
Paul's recipe sounds good, especially the condensed milk part.
Pity the blackbirds have eaten all mine.
Tammy


Caregiver/advocate to Husband Kris age 59@ diagnosis
DX Dec '10 SCC BOT T4aN2bM0 HPV+ve.Cisplatin x3 35 IMRT.
PET 6/11 clear.
R) level 2-4 neck dissection 8/1/11 to remove residual node - necrotic with NED
Feb '12 Ca back.. 3/8/12 total glossectomy/laryngectomy/bilat neck dissection/partial pharyngectomy etc. clear margins. All nodes negative for disease. PEG in.
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That's the way they make soursop punch in the Caribbean.


10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
06/11 30 HBO
08/11 RND PNI
06/12 SND PNI LVI
08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
10/13 SND
10/13 TBO/Angiograph
10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
06/17 Heart Attack Stent
02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs






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Oh WOW guys! I was just wondering if anyone had heard about this hoax. I didn't mean to even remotely imply that it might be real. That was not my intent at all. (But I know the road to hell is paved with good intentions)
The link I attached was to a hoax site - not a page that said it was a cancer cure.
You guys can be brutal at times, but this horrible disease is brutal all of the time.




Pain late 2009. Dx as change in altitude. Sore spot on tongue late 2010. Dx as irritation.
Leukoplakia Bx Feb 2011 - Lichen Planus.
Bx May 2011 - Hyperplasia. Same sample retested as SCC.
June 2011 Rt Hemigloss,ND,rff,33 Rads. Hosp for 15 days w/bi-lateral pneumonia.
T3N1M0 Stage IV.
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The response was actually quite mild. Posting a link to any hoax website is against OCF forum rules which is why the link was removed. I know it was not your intent to assist with furthering this scam, but posting a link to a hoax site would help them by sending additional traffic to their site. OCF is committed to the Health on the Net Code ensuring only correct medical info is available. Here is an excerpt from the OCF forum rules (which are not optional)....

The URL of a page on the Internet array(post the URL, not the content of the page!), after checking with OCF. AGAIN - Please check with OCF prior to this. YOU MAY NOT POST URL's to alternative cures, religious sites, or other cancer sites which we have not reviewed for accuracy and appropriateness to this forum. For all of its good, the web has a great deal of misinformation, outdated information, and outright wrong or deceptive information on it. We wish to protect our readers by reviewing other site's that you may wish to refer people to. This requirement does not apply to US government sites like the NCI, or the American Cancer Society sites.

Please note that there are tons of bogus cancer cure claims, herbal remedies without documented proof of efficacy, and treatment centers in foreign countries trying to sell hope, that have no proven clinical benefit. If you are a proponent of these ideas and places -DO NOT BRING THEM UP ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD. OCF is dedicated to the discussion of proven treatment modalities, and adjunctive array(not alternative) therapies to treat side effects. FAILURE TO ABIDE BY THIS RULE WILL GET YOUR URL BANNED FROM THE BOARD. This is not an unrestricted open forum or democracy. We regulate what is posted here, and unsubstantiated treatments with no peer-reviewed published support in science are not welcome. Please choose a different message board if you are interested in discussing these kinds of things. A good rule of thumb is that if it has been put on the quack watch site array(www.quackwatch.com) it should not be discussed here.


Christine
SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44
2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07
-65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr
Clear PET 1/08
4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I
surg 4/16/08 clr marg
215 HBO dives
3/09 teeth out, trismus
7/2/09 recur, Stg IV
8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy
3wks medicly inducd coma
2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit
PICC line IV antibx 8 mo
10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg
OC 3x in 3 years
very happy to be alive smile
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I read the rules when I first joined, but did not remember the Quackwatch and other hoax info site rule. Do you need to delete the link you posted? wink


Pain late 2009. Dx as change in altitude. Sore spot on tongue late 2010. Dx as irritation.
Leukoplakia Bx Feb 2011 - Lichen Planus.
Bx May 2011 - Hyperplasia. Same sample retested as SCC.
June 2011 Rt Hemigloss,ND,rff,33 Rads. Hosp for 15 days w/bi-lateral pneumonia.
T3N1M0 Stage IV.
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