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I have read folks adding protien powder to their drinks what do you use? I need to get Ron something to add to his IF he don't get that NG out Thursday but will do anyway if he does get it out depending on how he is healing.
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4/12-lung and under chin growth no treatment
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I use whey protein powder from the makers of Muscle Milk. You can get it in either chocolate or vanilla at Costco very reasonably and its has 27g of protein per scoop. I would recommend getting a whisk ball shaker bottle too, you can get them at the RiteAide for cheap or GNC. They are easy and save the cleanup of a blender.


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I use vegan protein - vega is one of them - any plant based protein is good!


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Hi Suez,

I have used whey protein powder and plant based protein powder. Whey is usually made from dairy and plant based can be made from pea, rice and hemp or a combination as well as sprouts. As with any food it best to seek out the highest quality. I always look for organic and/or pharmaceutical grade supplements. For years I've used Life Extension Foundation (www.lef.org) that uses the highest standard in producing their supplements. They offer substantial discounts to members. Amazon.com also has an auto ship policy that offers 15% discounts which helps reduce costs.

I used whey protein for many years but recently switched to a plant based protein called Life's Basic Plant Protein. I switched because I decided to go to a full plant based diet and eliminate all dairy and animal food for environmental, spiritual and health reasons. I'm a firm believer in using only fresh food (organic when possible) ingredients in balanced recipes to make sure I get variety and the best quality. Hopefully it will add to my lifespan or at the very least keep me disease free.

Good health!


Jesse Jones
Throat Cancer 1984, 1987, 1988 Stage IV squamous cell
Modified neck dissection 1984, 1987
Radiation 1988
G-tube since 2002. use mic-key button 20FF
use only fresh unprocessed food meals thru tube


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Ditto - I was a veg head before all this happened still am - even more careful now the the stuff I buy is organic! And fresh - as much as possible!


Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
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www.livestrong.com/article/17876-soy-protein-vs.-whey-protein/

Here's a good article from livestrong on the differences between the types of protein.


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Thanks Eric - it was an interesting article - what they didn't include and should have are the animal free, soy free, protein products. The plant based proteins that include, pea, hemp, Flax, and Brown rice proteins. These aren't as smooth as some of the soys but depending on who you believe far better for you - also another plus...?? It's said that sugar contributes to the inflammation process that supports cancer - most of these vegan products out there have natural sugars like stevia, or xylitol that do not effect the glycemic index! smile soy they say is now so manipulated that it's scary!!! smile take care!


Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
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Suez - Good suggestions above. The only thing I would add is whichever kind you decide to get, try to get a small quantity to start. I bought some protein powder to add to my son's milkshakes and I didn't happen to mention to him that I added a small quantity (about one tablespoon) to his milkshake. (The Health Food Store where I got it said there was absolutely no taste to the protein powder) Big mistake! After the first small sip he took, he asked me what I put in his milkshake and refused to have any part of it! Ever! From then on, he would always ask me what was in anything I served him before he even tried it. Hope everything goes well with the appointment on Thursday.


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Anne-Marie, I do believe your son could tell that something wasnt right with his shake. I didnt like the high protein powder in my milk shakes either. My taste became super sensitive where I could taste a couple grains of salt or even worse pepper.

How about trying good old Carnation Very High Calorie? You can order cases of it for about $44 total from the Amazon link on the main forum pages. If refrigerated, it might not be too bad to drink. I would drink yoo-hoo while going thru radiation. I loved that stuff, for some reason I could taste the chocolate and it was very soothing to my sore mouth and throat.


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I understand people have different views on diets etc so I'm actually steering clear of the "more healthy and responsible" parts of protien and just focus on the main differences and benefits/drawbacks to each and then everyone can make their own "educated" choices.

The body needs protiens, it's a macronutrient usually found in food such as meats, dairy, beans etc...that the body breaks down into amino acids, the building blocks if you will. Out of the 22 amino acids, the human body cannot synthesize some of them on it's own and need to be supplied by diet, these are called the "essential" amino acids.

Now we need to look at "complete" and "incomplete" protiens, which are sources of protien that contain adequate proportions of the essential amino acids to sustain the dietary needs of the human body. With the exception of soy and quinoa, vegetable sources are usually significantly low in lysine and to a smaller extent methoinine and threonine and are therefore considered "incomplete". Animal, soy and quinoa sources are considered complete as they have significant proportions of all the essential aminos.

When looking at protien powders we need to be making sure they are "complete" and give you all of your essentials, if not, why supplement. You can get get "complete" vegetable based powders they just have to have added significant amounts of lysene and a smaller extent of threonine and methoinine to them to get them to be considered "complete" if they are not derived from soy or quinoa.

Protiens actually have a Biological Value scale with the bar being set by the Egg, which has a BV level of 100. (Eggs are a super food on a biological value scale by the way) When protiens are compared they are compared to the egg. Vegetable protien is lower on the scale and is generally absorbed slower by the body, however usually has higher levels of antioxidants. Soy is on the about the same level as the egg, is again absorbed slower. Whey has a higher BV then the egg and is absorbed much faster...which can lead to waste, I'll get into that shortly.


IF you are not constantly tearing down and rebuilding your body or are in a hypermetabolic state (healing etc...) then plant based protiens make sense for your body (as long as they are complete). They are effecient and have higher levels of antioxidants. If you need your protien to be absorbed quickly as your cells are constantly in need of building blocks to gain or maintain, then whey is the way to go.

I use whey due to my lifestyle, and I like cows. I like to eat cows, specifically steaks and ribs however I think any part of the cow covered in BBQ sauce is fair game in my book. I don't even care that the cow has been hopped up on hormones and steriods, in fact I say hop them up on antidepressants too so I know I'm eating a happy cow. It should be happy, because it's making me happy by eating it. When I die of heart disease or colon cancer, I'll die happy.

Somethings got to kill you it may as well make you happy right. If OC kills me I know I had a lot of good sex getting there smile I would've dodged that bullet with Gardasil if it were available or known to me but hey I'll take the consequences for the action...ahem.


Sorry for the ridiculous, I wouldn't be me if I didn't go there smile

Eric

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Young Frack, SCC T4N2M0, Cisplatin,35+ rads,ND, RT Mandiblectomy w fibular free flap, facial paralysis, "He who has a "why" to live can bear with almost any "how"." -Nietzche "WARNING" PG-13 due to Sarcasm & WAY too much attitude, interact at your own risk.
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