| Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | Many OCF posters find that their doctors, while good at their particular cancer TX [M0 -poisoning ; RO- burning; ENT -cutting] don't seem to have a good grasp on the standard complications of their TX. Reading posts about doctors who don't do pre TX thyroid tests, or prescribe PT after neck dissections, or speech therapist for swallowing or trismus makes you wonder about what is taught in medical school. Today's Washington Post has an article on lymphedema as "cancer's treatment dirty little secret". It doesn't mention oral cancer at all so it probably won't make the OCF news feed. One excerpt really struck me, especially since many of us get neck dissections which severely impact our lymph system. [quote]Yet as painful and common as lymphedema can be, it still gets very little attention in the medical literature, and, according to increasingly vocal patient groups, it is infrequently mentioned by doctors when discussing an upcoming cancer surgery or radiation treatment. A Stanford University survey several years ago found that, on average, the lymphatic system gets only 15 minutes of attention during four years of instruction in medical school, and lymphedema may get no mention at all. [/quote] Here's the link to the full article Lymphedema after Cancer TX I wonder if medical students get even 15 minutes discussion of mucous problems or any of the other side effects we all suffer. Charm 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I think the pain from Neck Dissections are about as rads and chem. It seems the dissection never lets up much either and especially in waking in the morning. Thanks again for this post Charm. It is good informative reading.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 622 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 622 Likes: 1 | From my personal experience, it come from on the job training... My ENT Nurse Practitioner admitted to me that until her dad actually went through treatments, she really had no idea of what the patients and caregivers were experiencing. 18 YEAR SURVIVOR SCC Tongue (T3N0M0) diag 06/2006. No evidence of disease 2010 Another PET 12-2014 pre-HBO, still N.E.D.
�Remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. It matters that you don't just give up.� Stephen Hawking | | | | Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 71 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 71 | I invite all of my care team to touch and examine my neck and mouth. They all seem curious and a bit mortified. I suffer "wooden neck" and severe Trismus. The reactions are consistent and sympathetic. I find myself waving pom poms and telling them that I am still a vital human that needs them to help me live. Most of them seem to enjoy the challenge. Does any one want to start the "Cancer Treatments Suck" support group?
11/1999 SCC tongue - surgery 1/2000 Met(s) in lymph nodes - modRND 2/2000-4/2000 RT ~6 weeks end of 2006 SCC tongue - surgery 1/2008 SCC BOT - surgery / PEG installed 2/2008 chemo & RT 4/2008 last time I consumed solid food by mouth
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | While I was in Allegheny General, I had many Interns and Drs stop tp check out my TROPHIES and my mouth. Standard question from them was " How Are you still alive?" LOL Will Power and determination. Then the usual, " you sure look good for going thru so much." I enjoyed talking to everyone of them.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,219 | I guess it depends on where you are treated. I was told about lymphedema and at Fox Chase Cancer Center they even had a physical therapist that was a lymphedema specialist.
I guess I was lucky to be in the right place.
Jerry
Retired Dentist, 59 years old at diagnosis. SCC of the left lateral border of the tongue (Stage I). Partial glossectomy and 30 nodes removed, 4/6/05. Nodes all clear. No chemo no radiation 18 year survivor.
"Whatever doesn't kill me, makes me stronger"
| | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OP Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | Good to have you back Jerry. I have found that the physical therapists and speech therapists and the nurses all have a much better understanding of these issues than the doctors. Perhaps it's time for the med school curriculum to start encouraging their students to know what they don't know and start treating therapists and nurses as partners in helping patients instead of secondary providers. Charm 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
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