| Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 26 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 26 | Hello, Wondering you take on this...
Our Rad Oncologisit suggested a HIGH protein diet during my hubbys treatment plan. I recently received the book The China Study and it recommends a LOW protein diet to help control the growth of cancer cells (or something like that! )
????? Confused what to do what to do?
CG to 44 year old husband, Dx: 9/23/10 SCC T2N0M0 (Right Tonsil)
Radiation only started on 10/13/2010 13/33 Radiation Treatments done!
| | | | Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 7 Member | Member Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 7 | I also followed a high protein diet 60-90 grams daily starting with surgery and still going today. I found through research that the more quality protein you are able to ingest the better your cells have to rebuild with. the treatments are meant to breakdown and destroy cells good and bad so help your body rebuild. after all is clear then you can go veg. and or low protein.
Good Luck!
Carrie smoker 20 years-quit at 32 Dx at 41 stage 2 SSC tongue-free flap and neck dissection 25 nodes all neg. in May. bottom teeth pulled June. 35 rad tx ended in Aug. NEVER would have made it. If it weren't for my loving wife!
| | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 | Your body is rebuilding like crazy from all damage every day. It needs amino acids for this process to make new cells and keep the muscle mass intact. If you do not get enough protein, your body still needs those amino acids for repair, and it will breakdown your own lean body mass to get them.... This wasting during treatments can be severe if you cut protein from your diet.
Just because someone wrote a book on something doesn't make it right. A nutritionist at the hospital can confirm this with you. There are tons of old wives tales out there about what to do during cancer treatments or to not get cancer in the first place. The vast majority of these do not stand up to scrutiny and were conjured up by someone trying to sell people something... a supplement, a book, whatever.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | | | Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 | JDR,
The China Study is a great resource for maintaining good health! BUT it doesn't apply during treatment. Your husband needs to follow the nutrition plan laid out by his medical team during and for months *after* treatment.
As Brian said, the damage done to the body during radiation is massive and devastating and good nutrition is essential to avoid major problems.
Whoever gave you the book I'm sure had the best of intentions, but turn to it after treatment and healing is finished.
- Margaret
Stage IV SCC lt lateral tongue, surgery 5/19/08 (partial gloss/upper neck dissection left side/radial free flap reconstruction) IMRT w/weekly Cisplatin & Erbitux 6/30/08, PEG 1 6/12/08 - out 7/14 (in abdominal wall, not stomach), PEG 2 7/23/08 - out 11/20/08, Tx done 8/18/08 Second SCC tumor, Stage 1, rt mobile tongue, removed 10/18/2016, right neck dissection 12/9/2016 Third SCC tumor, diagnosed, 4/19/2108, rt submandibular mass, HPV-, IMRT w/ weekly Cisplatin, 5/9 - 6/25/2018, PEG 3 5/31/2018
| | | | Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 26 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 26 | Thanks everyone, great advice! In fact I didn't even mention the book to the hubby and won't do so either.. Just trying to read as much as I can about anything I can to try and make good use of my time.
CG to 44 year old husband, Dx: 9/23/10 SCC T2N0M0 (Right Tonsil)
Radiation only started on 10/13/2010 13/33 Radiation Treatments done!
| | | | Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,844 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,844 | Reading is good, I read everyday. I spent my time during treatment reading everything I could about what I was going through, what drugs I was taking, how I could deal with it mentally and emotionally etc... But reading books should never replace the wisdom of your medical professional if you have chosen the best medical team available to you.
Young Frack, SCC T4N2M0, Cisplatin,35+ rads,ND, RT Mandiblectomy w fibular free flap, facial paralysis, "He who has a "why" to live can bear with almost any "how"." -Nietzche "WARNING" PG-13 due to Sarcasm & WAY too much attitude, interact at your own risk.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | A use high protein whey powder to help boost my protein intake. I add it to my tube feeding formula. One scoop has 56 grams of protein. You can get this thru the Amazon link right here on the forum pages. Amazon gives a small amount back to OCF when you buy things thru the links here. ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | try some of the high protein powders the muscle builders use including Muscle Milk..
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 531 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 531 | Crosswards Seems you and Ron are on the same schedule of having things done. How are you feeling and can you swallow and eat? Ron had to have all his teeth pulled. They did his bottom during surgery and the rest of his top 2 weeks before radiation started. They took it off his top of his right thigh for his free flap, they felt it makes a better seal more meatier the doc said, so he could swallow and eat again. anybody else have this done with the thigh instead of arm?
CG to Ron Out of Pain 4/3/13 4/12-lung and under chin growth no treatment 1/13/12 lung biopsy 6/11 recur 6/30 resection #2 Clear margins Clear 12/10 Surg 5/13/10 neck dis/nodes part gloss/flap R thigh all teeth out RAD 30 8/10 DX 4/2/10 "Oral Cavity" T3NOMO 12/28/07 Non Hodg Lymph remission 7/08 passed away 4.3.15, RIP Ron, you are greatly missed
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