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Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 | I've noticed that the fluoride tray treatments that I do for 10-20 minutes every day cause my teeth to be very white and bright immediately after the treatments. But then, within 1/2 hour, my teeth look dark and dingy the rest of the day. My teeth were never that dark before I started the fluoride. My rad doc did inform me, however, that my teeth would stain from the treatments, so I am not shocked by it. I just don't feel like I have a nice smile anymore and was wondering.......Is it safe to have teeth whitening done either with trays or lazer whitening after radiation treatments to the head and neck? If so, are there any negative side effects from whitening? Thanks! 
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Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | What type of fluoride are you using?
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | Geez 28007, my teeth got so white they disappeared . would even settle for black dentures about now after over 2 years of now having any.Dr says that's a no no.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April.
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Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 | David,
I'm using Colgate Gel-Kam with 0.4% Stable Stannous Fluoride which is prescribed by my dentist. Fruit & Berry flavor.
Why do you ask?
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Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 | Hi Jim,
Thanks for the humorous reply. How DO you stay in such good spirits after all you've been through!? You say your teeth got so white they disappeared. Do you mean from fluoride treatments? Or are you joking there?
Anyway, what do you mean by the doctor said that was a no no?
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Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | I believe others using Stannous Fluoride have also complained about temp staining.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 | x..007,
I had the same problem and they switched me from Stannous to Sodium Fluoride. After switching I have had no more problems with stained teeth.
There are numerous brands available, so ask you dentist, but as a reference I am using a 1.1% Sodium Fluoride product called Neutra Maxx 5000 Gel.
Don
TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary
FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm
PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm
HiRes CT 6/21/08
Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08
PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08
35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo
Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11
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Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I am joking . LOL They pulled every tooth I had for the rads, chemo and rad seed implants. I am not allowed to get any dentures becase of exposed dead bone on my lower jaw on both sides. I am tempted but after I think about it I decide I don't need any more pain or problems. You need a more femine number that 007 LOL lets go for 008 because it has a curvy boby in the right places.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April.
--- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
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Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 | Don,
Is that over the counter or RX? Where do you buy it?
Eileen
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Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III
mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad
Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND
June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer
June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
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Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Eileen,
Get a prescription from your dentist. He wrote mine for 100 refills and each tube lasts a month or so so I won't need another one for some time. Mine is Cypress Sodium 1.1 and I have never had any problems at all with it.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Joined: May 2002 Posts: 2,152 | Thanks. I'll periodontist when I see him next week.
Eileen
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Aug 1997 unknown primary, Stage III
mets to 1 lymph node in neck; rt ND, 36 XRT rad
Aug 2001 tiny tumor on larynx, Stage I total laryngectomy; left ND
June 5, 2010 dx early stage breast cancer
June 9, 2011 SCC 1.5 cm hypo pharynx, 70% P-16 positive, no mets, Stage I
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Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 | Eileen,
I my case there is a dental group at the medical complex that the Cancer Center is part of.
All OC patients are automatically patients of the dental group from DX through TX.
So, I just have to walk in and buy the stuff as I need it. It is $12 for a 4.3 oz bottle of gel.
I think you can buy it over the internet without a RX.
Don
TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary
FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm
PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm
HiRes CT 6/21/08
Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08
PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08
35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo
Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11
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Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 | Don,
Thanks for the info. I will ask my dentist to give me a new prescription.
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Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 | David,
Is Cypress Sodium 1.1 just a different brand than what Don was talking about above? If so what are the benefits/differences between the two kinds?
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Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | Yes there are many brands out there. Cypress is cheap, that's why I use it.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 | Very funny Jim! 007 is what I do so it "fits" oo. LOL!
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Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 138 | David,
Are you talking about the gel that goes in the trays? Or are you talking about just the tooth paste?
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