| Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 16 Member | OP Member Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 16 | We have been referred back to the Rad/Onc doctors by the surgeons after the RND on 7/6. Everyone keep saying they want to do more radiation/chemo if it's an option and if it's not an option, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THEY CAN DO FOR US! This was first presented to us just 2 weeks after the RND and even though the surgeon said they think they got all the cancer, we keep getting this statement. Sounds to me like they didn't get it all and they know something they haven't told us yet? When Art had his 35 Rad tx they said it was the lifetime max, now we're going back to see if they can do anymore. Why would they pursue doing more immediately after the surgery when they haven't even done any CT scans to see if there's anything left? I'm really scared as I would think if this was merely precautionary they wouldn't be so adamant that IF THEY CAN'T DO ANY MORE RADIATION THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THEY CAN DO FOR US! Is it usual to pursue additional radiation and chemo immediately after surgery even though there was a full course of treatment before the surgery???
Anyone have any helpful insight, would be really appreciated! Jeani
Jeani, caregiver to husband Art, 61 Dx left BOT SCC 9/08 peg 12/29/08 35x rad and 3x Cisplatin ended 2/22/09 Left RND 7/6/09 took everything and 4 of 30 nodes involved
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 6 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 6 | My docs tell me radiation is only done once in my situation. A few others here have had it twice.
It sounds like you are running in circles and there is a lack of communication between doctors. Are you at a cancer center where they talk to each other? ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | I was also told 3 years ago when I had my rad that if I had a recurrence I could not take anymore rad as it would damage my blood vessels so much I would bleed to death. Again that was 3 years ago and since then I have seen a few patients that came to this site that did in fact get reradiated. Some after a few years and some in different spots so reradiation is not all together out of the picture.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 148 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 148 | Yes, why aren't they doing a CT or PET scan? And no, what you are outlining is highly unusual. Typically, you go back to doctors on a regular basis post surgery and radiation and their visual examination is enough. Pictures via CT and PET come months later unless they have an issue and if so they should certainly be telling you what their concerns are. Good luck.
Bill . . . SCC - originated in right tonsil, drifted into neck ( 28 lymph nodes removed - one positive ). Radical neck dissection in September 07, completed 34 radiation tx on January 4, 2008. Used Peg. Non smoker, 61, good shape, no previous health issues. Second year PET scan - "all clear".
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I know personally just how upsetting this can be as I was told exactly the same thing. I pushed back and found out the reason they wanted even more radiation and chemo was that my pathology report (not the CT or MRI post surgery which were all clear) indicated perineural involvement. Based on their experience, my RO, MO and ENT all said it was more likely than not that I would get the cancer back a third time unless I had more radiation and chemo. They used CyberKnife instead of IMRT so they could radiate the same tissues but from different entry points and angles. The inference is that it will come back without such treatment but I made them spell it out to me explictly charm 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I had a pet and a cat within a week after surgery at OSU, I have a list of everything they did and when.. MRI wasn't far behind the others either
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 16 Member | OP Member Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 16 | We're at the VA and dealing with two different facilities as the one closest to us did the rad/chemo and the one in LA has the surgical center. The surgeon did tell me that they thought they had gotten everything with the surgery (were able to get clear margins) and this is just precautionary, if it's availabe to use it! But they haven't done any tests at all since the surgery, really haven't even looked at him closly so it's weird that this is happening this way? They've also referred us to chemo to see if those dr's want to do additional treatment...we'll see if there's any further explanation today (although the Rad Dr we see is very haughty and not too keen on conversation!)
Jeani, caregiver to husband Art, 61 Dx left BOT SCC 9/08 peg 12/29/08 35x rad and 3x Cisplatin ended 2/22/09 Left RND 7/6/09 took everything and 4 of 30 nodes involved
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