Posted By: sooner Possible Change to the Treatment Plan - 04-01-2017 03:47 PM
It seems that my husbands extreme fatigue and other symptoms may be related to kidney compromise from the Cisplatin. They are giving him extra fluids daily and drugs to try to bring down his numbers and sort out if it his kidneys are actually compromised or if it is dehydration but they have scheduled an appointment for us with the oncologist to evaluate the third dose of Cisplatin. I would like to know if any of you have had to forgo the last dose? We are both concerned about the impact on survival if the last dose is not administered. However, we also know that kidney protection is critical. We read conflicting things about the importance of the 3rd dose. His nutrition seems back on track.
Posted By: ChristineB Re: Possible Change to the Treatment Plan - 04-01-2017 11:30 PM
It is common when getting the 3 big bag method of chemo the third dose either gets cut down in quantity or omitted. My second dose was cut in half and the third one completely cancelled. I didnt mind at all, I was so sick I couldnt have tolerated any more chemo. From what I understand the first dose helps considerably with the second and third doses helping much less than the first one. My doc explained that the third dose only helps a very little bit so its not a big deal to skip it. I suggest talking in more detail with your husbands doctor about what impact it could have on his chances of completely eliminating the cancer with only his current treatment. I would also ask if he should have another chemo for the third dose.

Cisplatin does have some side effects. Hearing loss is the most common problem Ive seen patients have with cisplatin. Then the patient is usually switched over to carboplatin. I think Paul had some pretty big kidney problems. Im not sure if his problems were due to cisplatin or another kind of chemo.

Im very glad to hear your husband is doing well with his intake. Great job!!!
Posted By: gmcraft Re: Possible Change to the Treatment Plan - 04-02-2017 12:07 AM
My husband had to skip his third dose of Cisplatin because he developed blood clots in both legs. He was placed on blood thinners but he couldn't start this medication because the creatinine was too low. We had to wait until the count had gone back up a bit. The MO told us that it wasn't the chemo that caused the blood clots but the fact that he had cancer. She assured us that there was no point in getting the third dose. John was in really bad shape at that point due to the chemo so it was actually a relief not to have to go for the third dose.
Posted By: EMTK3 Re: Possible Change to the Treatment Plan - 04-02-2017 03:34 AM
My oncologist nixed the 3 dose option because I already had significant hearing loss in my right ear from years of hunting. She went with the smaller doses once a week for eight weeks concurrent with the radiation. Towards the end I got pretty sick and was running a fever. They ended up canceling the last three weeks of Chemo therapy. I was upset but the doctor said it was no big deal. She said the outcome wouldn't change as the primary treatment was the radiation. In the end she was right.

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Glad to hear the nutrition problem is under control. Keep up with the liquids too and he should continue to feel better. You guys are in the home stretch! Stay positive 🤠
Posted By: PaulB Re: Possible Change to the Treatment Plan - 04-03-2017 04:28 PM
Although it's ideal to finish treatment as planned, it's not uncommon for doctors to reduce the dosage, infusion rate, change drugs delay or stop it completely when it comes to Chemo, which mainly acts as a radiosensitizer to make radiation work better, and stays in the body for a specified period depending the type of chemo. Chemo by itself does not cure this cancer.

I've had to stop all my treatment completely, and any future treatments, for an unknown duration, due to the side effects from High Dose Induction Chemo (IC); Cisplatin, Taxotere, and 5-FU in 2009. One of the problems with IC is your body's response is not given enough time, and not really gauged past a few days, when all the chemo is given, and can't be reduced, changed or taken back at that point.

As a result, I suffered multiple side effects, an understatement, many relating to the Sepsis and Septic Shock, which included Kidney Failure. The kidneys can have accute toxicities, and recover, once the cause is treated or taken away, but some accute toxicities if ongoing or bad enough, can cause chronic kidney failure, and may not fully recover to normal levels sometimes, but may become stable enough where it's manageable, and no other treatment is necessary, other than scheduled blood testing. That's where I'm at now, but a few times I was almost placed on dialysis, but I have a good nephrologist who has kept me off.

A number of conditions can compromise the kidneys, including chemo, dehydration, kidneys stones, infection, etc, and hopefully they can identify the cause, correct, and monitor the kidneys with no further problems.

Good luck
Posted By: sooner Re: Possible Change to the Treatment Plan - 04-04-2017 01:34 AM
His lab numbers were much improved today after lots of IV fluids, nutrition and hydration. So, we will see what the decision is one week from today. Thanks for all of your support. In the end it is out of our control once we do all that we can to have him as healthy as possible.
Posted By: sooner Re: Possible Change to the Treatment Plan - 04-10-2017 07:14 PM
In case this happens to anyone else....the final decision even with labs that rebounded and looked pretty good before the third round of chemo and maintaining his weight, was to reduce the last round of chemo by half. The feeling was that his kidney function might not rebound after the third full dose. So we are happy with this decision. We have worked so hard to keep his hydration and nutrition on track. It's a daily challenge for a variety of reasons. He has had IV fluid support as well.
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