There seems to be no end to the scams out there. Someone posted on Facebook about a "Kangen" water cure. Apparently you buy a $400 machine to treat your water for a cure. Gheesh!

I too hate this type of post.
On the Laryngectomy site there are posts about a Dr Buzynski who will cure you for $30,000 and then another on stopping all your medications and using "natural" remedies instead.
Makes me want to scream.
Tammy

These things kind of scare me, when I think that people might even fall for them.

I've seen it. I think it's supposed to be lower PH, and probably of interest in acid vs an alkeline cancer diet, which is a myth.

From what I understand, cancer cells do thrive in an acid enviornment in test tubes, and doesn�t work like that in the body, and there has been no studies to prove it�s effectiness in treating cancer. The ph stick for the saliva, urine, do not mean much, and is no indication of what�s going on in the body. The body�s ph is tightly controlled by the kidney�s, lungs and normal ph is between 7.35-7.45, and body continually stays in that range. When your level goes below 7.35 it�s acidosis, too much hydrogen in the body, and above 7.45 is alkalosis, too little hydrogen in your blood, which is caused by other means.

Restricting the diet during treatment, may just deny the body some of the nutrients needed to fight cancer, and repair the body.

Actually, the top of the line Kangen Water ionizer is 4 Thousand dollars not 4 hundred. When the Wall Street Journal ran an expose, it's comment section was overwhelmed by ardent proponents. Most of them decided not to mention that they were multi marketer distributors (yes it's semi legal Pyramid scheme that HerbaLife is being accused of). It's actually an imported Japanese fraud that is so lacking in science that competent adjunctive integrative holistic doctors draw the line at as beyond the pale Really, Ph water?.
So sad how people prey on our hopes and fears.
I get so upset and sometimes overreact here on the forum when posters actually link to information on this stuff that I've decided to start using a canned comment at first with maybe some details. So it will be obvious to even the oblivious (giving them the grace of the doubt that this is just an innocent inquiry of what do we think of their facebook cures or just discussing) will recognized that my objection is not personal to them at all. It has nothing to do with them, but with the way these "cures" TX etc prey upon those most vulnerable.
thanks for giving me a post to test it out on since you both start off denouncing these two scams (I've torched DR B before here).
[quote]There are many claims on preventing cancer, curing cancer, treating cancer on the Internet, Facebook and TV. It pains me to see these false hopes repeated on the OCF forum. Like it or not, the fact is that there are ZERO "alternatives" to the only proven methods of curing oral cancer: radiation, chemotherapy and surgery. As to this post I perceive no need to refute these arguments with somber reasoning and copious citation of precedent; to do so might suggest that these arguments have some colorable merit.[/quote]
]No need to pretend this is not a fraud

Let me know any tweaks or suggestions as it has come to my attention that by using sarcasm to convey the idiocy of the treatment, the poster took it as calling them an idiot.
I want to avoid that in the future . I do want everyone to feel welcome on OCF while still having it the one and only place I have found on the internet where the forum or comments do not allow Defenses of these frauds even when using a form of Praetertio : eg. I'm not saying it works, but isnt' this worthy of discussion
Charm

I had someone similarly "pitch" this product, and a naturopath advocating adjusting pH levels in your body, as it was "proven" that cancer cells could not survive in a properly pH balanced body.

I simply thanked the person for their interest, and advised that I preferred to take the advice of my team of medical professionals. I felt there was no point in arguing as those whose are ardent in their beliefs cannot be dissuaded, and arguing simply encourages further attempts to prove thier point.

The same thing has happened to me, Tina. A man at my church was giving me a similar pitch, and I just said that I had faith in my doctors and walked away. I also had a former co-worker tell me that fluoride was poison when I was talking about using the trays. So, I just told her that I trusted my dentist. Sometimes, that's all you can do!

How funny but not humorous. The body does need to be somewhat neutral or alkaline but does that justify shelling out exorbitant amounts of money? Live with reflux and you "automatically" consume lower acidic content foods. Proving what caused cancer is almost as tough as proving there is a God. My older and wiser thought process says throw whatever you can at it and sleep peacefully that you did all you can or wanted to. That's what gets me through the night!

Yes fluoride and chlorine in our drinking water is bad for us but guess what, my teeth rotting out and causing infection and osteoradionecrosis that could kill me as well.

The only time I run faster from "have I got a deal for you" is when a dentist looks at me with befuddlement and asks"what exactly is an official oral cancer screening?"

Now if someone says this will fix your problem, it is expensive but I want you to get better so just try it...call me the live crash test dummy! There is nothing more sobering than the medical community saying there is nothing that can be done for you, it is not treatable, not reversible, progressive and will end your life. Sometimes symptom and side effect management is good but there are no silver bullets to treat this disease and what comes with it.

Ed

Ed, great post. Charm...wow brotha I'm impressed!

Baking soda raises alkalinity in water.

So does lemon or lime - the premise behind an alkaline diet is that we bombard ourselves with acidic foods all the time (sugary crap - processed foods with chemical garbage in them) the higher the sugar content the more acidic the food - the more you eat drink of this stuff the harder your body has to work to maintain the balance - and if you have organ issues damage to kidneys, liver etc... It's even harder then throw cancer into the fray where our body has to fight that as well. So I'm not touting the kangen water thing as you can alkalize your own water - but I am saying that by eating healthfully (as I always say) and minimizing sugary processed foods it can only help in the long run. Also a lot of green leafy veggie can't hurt as they are alkaline in nature... Kelp anyone? Spinach? Boc Choy? Chard?

[quote]So does lemon or lime[/quote] This caught my eye like a big hook in the fish's eye. I had to read up on this and in fact, it appears what certain acidic food at the tongue are alkaline-forming once in the gut.

It makes me question even more the canned crap people drink to boost nutrition. Since the bulk of it is sugar based, I wonder if the net effect is it tilts the internal balance toward acidic? I hope so since I am on a mission how to pass the "rads-chemo" gauntlet by getting nutrition orally and skip the PEG.

Apple cider vinegar too. I used to use Braggs, unfiltered organic.

Donfoo, My husband was a diet controlled diabetic at the time of diagnosis, so we were very careful about the sugars in his diet throughout treatment. He made it through 5 weeks of radiation without the tube. He never went completely off of solid food, but towards the end used a ton shakes to get his nutrition. We were able to find a protein powder that had no sugar or carbs, all protein, that I would mix with cold milk, bananas, peanut butter and omega oils. It is possible to avoid sugar in the supplements. Post note, losing 50 lbs through treatment, he's no longer diabetic.

oops, meant to give the name of the protein powder, Beneprotein. It also had the great benefit of having no taste or texture of it's own. So many were vanilla or citirus, flavors he could not stand.

Thanks Ana,
Always good to hear from those who battle through by going to blenderized drinks and avoiding the PEG. I have found a couple very tasty and easy to go down pure protein powders as well, so I am prepared to make it through orally too. Your husband sure did have quite a different treatment plan than the standard. Glad it is working on the cancer.

Don

Hi there actually if you stick to vegetarian or vegan proteins they sweeten with stevia - a natural sweetener with no impact in your blood sugar. Personally I used boost probably for 3 weeks (went peg less and needed high protein as I am a veg head) then I started mixing protein powder with my ensure, and got off of it as soon as I could by switching to protein shakes of my own making - fresh fruit Almond milk or quinoa milk and protein powder - my favorite kind is Sunwarrior the complete one (they have a brown rice one as well I actually mix them) - it's not chalky . And yes foods we sometimes think of acidic are actually alkaline to the body! hugs!