| Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | I had pets, cats and mri's non stop when I was 1st daignosed and ate least 3 of each at Wvu, then at Wheeling cancer center and at Ohio State James Cancer Center at least 2 more of each. Its a wonder I am not glowing in the dark, I thought it was just too much radiation, but let them do whatthey had to and still do
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 | Liz, There are a lot of very convincing studies to support the use and accuracy of PET scans.
All scans have their limitations and PET scans can not detect cancer clusters that are very small (depending on the scanner, less than ~.5 to ~1cm in size). Also slowly growing, well-differentiated, or small lesions exhibit little or no SUV uptake.
I also understand that the patients glucose levels at the time of the scan is a factor
I believe most PET scans these days are PET/CT scans and despite the limitation, this is considered to be the best imaging tool for the detection of cancer tumors.
Don TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm HiRes CT 6/21/08 Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08 PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08 35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11
| | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,082 | My entire medical team (RO, the nuclear medicine director . MO and ENT) think PET scans are "not quite ready for Prime time" (as the old original Saturday Night Live skit went)for Cancer Detection. They all feel that PETscans are invaluable for staging the radiation fields once the tumor is big but the routine false positives plus the inability to detect recurrence as early as a MRI (the even worse false negatives - like I had twice) are worrisome. Even the written radiologist reports of every PETscan I have had state clearly that there should be a follow up MRI to clarify "findings". I think I will be passing on them in the future since their track record with me is zero. Clearly patients like myself were not part of the glowing studies. 65 yr Old Frack Stage IV BOT T3N2M0 HPV 16+ 2007:72GY IMRT(40) 8 ERBITUX No PEG 2008:CANCER BACK Salvage Surgery 25GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Apaghia /G button 2012: CANCER BACK -left tonsilar fossa 40GY-CyberKnife(5) 3 Carboplatin Passed away 4-29-13
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | I had one PET and that was pre Moffitt. I have had 3 CATs at Moffitt so I have to assume that Moffitt didn't see any value in them at least in my case.
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 | Sorry don i would have to pass on that.MRI every time for me.
Liz in the UK
Husband Robin aged 44 years Dx 8th Dec 2006 poorly differentiated SCC tongue with met to neck T1N2cM0 Surgery and Radiation.Finished TX April 2007 Recurrence June/07 died July 29th/07.
Never take your eye off the ball, it may just smack you in the mouth.
| | | | Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 253 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 253 | Just wondering:
My doctor say that he can't do a PET-CT scan until 3 months after radiation because of the cells healing.
Are there restrictions on an MRI. Isn't a MRI a "picture" of the cancer?
Curious, because I would like to know if the radiation did it's trick sooner than 3 months.
Thanks Sandyst
Sandy 56, BOT SCC Biopsy 1/21/09 Stage 3, T3NXM0. Finished 3 cycle induction chemotherapy 4/7/09. (Chisplatin, 5-fu and Texotere). Re-staged 4/20/09,(very successful.) Will start Carboplatin/radiation 2 Gy/5 days/7 weeks (Tomotherapy) starting May 4th. Finished 6/22/09. OCF member/supporter
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,260 | It wasn't 3 months later that I had an MRI, maybe like 3 to 5 weeks. Follwed by the big parade of them again. Then this anneurysm put wrench into the game and caused a lot of confusion among the Drs, LOL That isn't supposed to happen once it's been repaired.
Since posting this. UPMC, Pittsburgh, Oct 2011 until Jan. I averaged about 2 to 3 surgeries a week there. w Can't have jaw made as bone is deteroriating steaily that is left in jaw. Mersa is to blame. Feeding tube . Had trach for 4mos. Got it out April. --- Passed away 5/14/14, will be greatly missed by everyone here
| | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | On my last recurrence, the tumor didn't show on a recent CT scan, but they used an MRI to plan the surgery after the biopsy showed SCC. UWash CCC has yet to give me a PET scan.
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
| | | | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 9 Member | OP Member Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 9 | Went to the ENT today. After an exam and feeling around he felt there was little to the PET results and is only recommending a new set of scans in 3 months versus the normal 6. He is a UW doctor and it seems also does not put much stock in the PET results.
Dx 5/08 Stage 3 SCC No primary ever found Completed 35 IMRT tx 8/13/08. Taxatol, cisplatin and erbitux weekly for 8 weeks. No surgery PEG PET/CT Clear 11/08
| | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 | I would venture the opinion that these days you actually get a PET/CT scan and not just a PET scan. If you are curious and look at the scans yourself you see that the PET itself had a poor resolution while the CT component is clear. (which is why they do them together). I noted that the scanning speed has markedly improved since my first scan (newer equipment) and that may be part of the issue here. It might help to consider the following: A negative pet scan is of course good news it means that you do not have cancer OR that it is not big/active enough to be visible. In that respect it is a reflection of the past. Also, you normally get a full body PET/CT (including head/lung......). I make damn sure that I do everything possible to avoid a false positive. (a cold is a bad idea, so it talking and moving supposedly ... I am not going to try to see if this is so). So far all my PET/CT scans have worked out, from the positive one initially, to the subsequent negative ones. (next one in 11 days)
Sandy re MRI this is not a "picture" of the cancer either, all you see is actually just water which is why MRIs are good for soft tissue.
M
Partial glossectomy (25%) anterior tongue. 4/6/07/. IMRT start @5/24/07 (3x) Erbitux start/end@ 5/24/07. IMRT wider field (30x) start 6/5/07. Weekly cisplatin (2x30mg/m2), then weekly carbo- (5x180mg/m2). End of Tx 19 July 07.
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