#80247 09-10-2008 11:05 AM | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 | After a few days of phone calls back and forth with my doctors I am finally scheduled to get my feeding tube removed on Monday morning! It was put in by a radiologist so I have to go to the OR to have it removed. Not sure why, but whatever. I'm hoping it's just an in and out deal and they just pull it and let me get on with my day. I have to be there two hours before my appointment and I can't eat anything after midnight the night before (which is going to kill me! I usually wake up STARVING in the morning). Well, I'm going to be patiently waiting for Monday and hopefully the anticipation doesn't kill me in the mean time!
Stephanie, 23, SCC on the right side of my tongue, surgery on 5-19-08, over half my tongue removed, free flap constructed from my forearm, bilateral neck dissection, one positive node. Radiation (32) and chemo (carboplatin) started on 6-16-08. Recurrence 4/09 in lungs.
**** Stephanie passed away 12.15.09.... RIP our dear friend****
| | | | Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 148 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 148 | That is great. It's over in a flash and nothing but a sting. Doctor said he enjoyed this part as it meant you were on the "upswing" which is true.
Bill . . . SCC - originated in right tonsil, drifted into neck ( 28 lymph nodes removed - one positive ). Radical neck dissection in September 07, completed 34 radiation tx on January 4, 2008. Used Peg. Non smoker, 61, good shape, no previous health issues. Second year PET scan - "all clear".
| | | | Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 98 Senior Member (75+ posts) | Senior Member (75+ posts) Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 98 | Getting my peg pulled out made me feel like it was one more step to things returning to normal (or a new normal). It was an important part to my speedy recovery that I gained valuable nutrition and hydration, but I hated sleeping on my back all the time and dealing with it while taking a shower. Great job!
Tom SCC T4N1M0 left side tongue & 1 node Dx 05/21/07 42 yrs old 40 Tx IMRT @ 70 Gy started 06/25/07 Cysplatin & 5fu 1st & 4th wks treatment ended 08/23/07
| | | | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 622 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 622 | Congrats Steph. That was the first thing that helped me feel like I was winning !
Now over a year later, my second bellybutton is staring to fade.....
Kevin 18 YEAR SURVIVOR SCC Tongue (T3N0M0) diag 06/2006. No evidence of disease 2010 Another PET 12-2014 pre-HBO, still N.E.D.
�Remember to look up at the stars and not down at your feet. It matters that you don't just give up.� Stephen Hawking | | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | How much of a sting it makes is dependent on the PEG itself -- My first PEG had a balloon on the end and stung when it was pulled out (No prohibition of eating before hand, BTW) -- My current PEG has no obstruction on the end and just slides out (it's been out twice for cleaning of blockage) and slides back in.
First PEG was put in by Gastro Doc, second PEG by Radiologist.
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 | Thanks for all the comments!
Pete- I'm positive my peg has a balloon on the inside or else it would have fallen out a long time ago (my dogs like to jump, and it gets caught on everything). So I'm sure I'll be feeling the sting of removal but after all the other things I've had pulled out of my neck and done to my body in the past 4 months I'm sure this will be a breeze! I don't think I would be able to handle a peg tube that you can take out and put right back in, bleh. AND, I'm not sure what's up with the whole not being able to eat beforehand thing. It's going to be the death of me. It figures, I survive cancer and treatment, only to die of starvation waiting to have my feeding tube pulled.
Tom- like you I hate sleeping on my back, I sleep on my side for the most part, but I do occasionally like to sleep on my stomach. I'm looking forward to being able to not worry about rolling over on it!
Stephanie, 23, SCC on the right side of my tongue, surgery on 5-19-08, over half my tongue removed, free flap constructed from my forearm, bilateral neck dissection, one positive node. Radiation (32) and chemo (carboplatin) started on 6-16-08. Recurrence 4/09 in lungs.
**** Stephanie passed away 12.15.09.... RIP our dear friend****
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Steph Congrats on getting rid of the PEG tube!!!!
ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 | Congratulations Stephanie!! What a milestone! I am so happy for you.
- Margaret
Stage IV SCC lt lateral tongue, surgery 5/19/08 (partial gloss/upper neck dissection left side/radial free flap reconstruction) IMRT w/weekly Cisplatin & Erbitux 6/30/08, PEG 1 6/12/08 - out 7/14 (in abdominal wall, not stomach), PEG 2 7/23/08 - out 11/20/08, Tx done 8/18/08 Second SCC tumor, Stage 1, rt mobile tongue, removed 10/18/2016, right neck dissection 12/9/2016 Third SCC tumor, diagnosed, 4/19/2108, rt submandibular mass, HPV-, IMRT w/ weekly Cisplatin, 5/9 - 6/25/2018, PEG 3 5/31/2018
| | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 | I believe it was in Haley's blog that she wrote they just cut her tube, pushed the ball into her stomach and let nature take care of it. I like that idea. Anyone else heard of this option? Or is this only a UK procedure? My MO said today getting rid of my peg was next on the agenda and I would rather poop it than pull it
Don TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm HiRes CT 6/21/08 Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08 PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08 35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11
| | | | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | "OCF across the pond" Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,940 | the ballon is inflated with a small amount of saline,which they remove before taking the peg out.In the uk i think its a bit like the elastoplast pull.grit your teeth and out she comes.
Liz in the UK
Husband Robin aged 44 years Dx 8th Dec 2006 poorly differentiated SCC tongue with met to neck T1N2cM0 Surgery and Radiation.Finished TX April 2007 Recurrence June/07 died July 29th/07.
Never take your eye off the ball, it may just smack you in the mouth.
| | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | One reason my balloon-less PEG doesn't fall out is that it is 17" long and it has a couple of tight curves in it, so it would take a long pull with some effort.
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 | I talked to a lady today for the registration stuff at the hospital (since I'm going through the OR to have my peg removed) and they are making a big deal out of this. I kind of laughed because she mentioned me having an IV for it in case they have to give me a sedative and she was asking me about any reactions to anesthesia that I may have had. Finally I just stopped her and told her they didn't put me under when they put it in, so I seriously doubt they are going to put me under when they take it out. So, I'm just ready to get this thing out!! And Pete I would be freaking out if I had a peg that I potentially could take out and put back in no matter how long it was. Although I was tempted the other day to just call up the doctor and ask him to walk me through pulling out my own peg so I didn't have to go in to the hospital!!
Stephanie, 23, SCC on the right side of my tongue, surgery on 5-19-08, over half my tongue removed, free flap constructed from my forearm, bilateral neck dissection, one positive node. Radiation (32) and chemo (carboplatin) started on 6-16-08. Recurrence 4/09 in lungs.
**** Stephanie passed away 12.15.09.... RIP our dear friend****
| | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | You don't want to be taking out your own PEG if there's an "anchor" on it, unless you have removed a tooth with the string and door method.
What my Doc did with the "anchored" PEG was just give it a good yank while I was on a table with nurse and dressings standing by. It was a short sharp pain, with some minor bleeding, and then it was over.
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 | Peace out Peg Tube!
Haha, it's GONE! And the doctor even said I could have taken it out on my own if I wanted to, apparently a lot of people do...HA! It didn't hurt at all and it didn't bleed. I checked in at the admissions place, they brought me back to a room and took my vitals and told me to get in the gown, I argued for a second with the nurse wondering why I had to wear a gown for a 2 second procedure but I did it anyway. Then they came to take me back and I was informed that I did not need to go through all that stuff because it's an outpatient procedure (I could have told them that, and had tried a few times, but no one would believe me). I put my clothes back on and then they brought me back out to the waiting room but didn't tell the doctor that was removing the tube that they had moved me so he was looking all over the place for me. Finally I recognized him when he walked by and I asked him if he was looking for me, and he was. He brought me back, sat me on a table deflated the balloon, pulled the tube, and put a bandage over it and sent me on my way. I told him about how they had mentioned wanting to do an IV in case they had to do anesthesia and he laughed. I wanted to ask him if I would have been able to eat breakfast this morning before the procedure but I figured it was better to not know, I'm pretty sure I could have (I was starving by the time we got out of there!).
The good news is that the tube is out!!!
Stephanie, 23, SCC on the right side of my tongue, surgery on 5-19-08, over half my tongue removed, free flap constructed from my forearm, bilateral neck dissection, one positive node. Radiation (32) and chemo (carboplatin) started on 6-16-08. Recurrence 4/09 in lungs.
**** Stephanie passed away 12.15.09.... RIP our dear friend****
| | | | Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 939 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 939 | Oh what a feeling...freedom from the dangling appendage...congrats and happy eating.
Deb
Deb..caregiver to husband, age 63 at diagnosis, former smoker who quit in 1997. DIAGNOSIS: 6/26/07 SCC right tonsil/BOT T4N0M0 TREATMENT START: 8/9/07 cisplatin/taxol X 7..IMRT twice daily X 31.5. TREATMENT END: 10/1/07 PEG OUT: 1/08 PORT OUT: 4/09 FOLLOWUP: Now only annual exams. ALL CLEAR!
Passed away 1/7/17 RIP Bill
| | | | Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 | Fantastic!!!
So. What'd you have for breakfast??
Stage IV SCC lt lateral tongue, surgery 5/19/08 (partial gloss/upper neck dissection left side/radial free flap reconstruction) IMRT w/weekly Cisplatin & Erbitux 6/30/08, PEG 1 6/12/08 - out 7/14 (in abdominal wall, not stomach), PEG 2 7/23/08 - out 11/20/08, Tx done 8/18/08 Second SCC tumor, Stage 1, rt mobile tongue, removed 10/18/2016, right neck dissection 12/9/2016 Third SCC tumor, diagnosed, 4/19/2108, rt submandibular mass, HPV-, IMRT w/ weekly Cisplatin, 5/9 - 6/25/2018, PEG 3 5/31/2018
| | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 | Margaret -
We picked up Whataburger (burger and fries...it's the only fast food I'll eat!) on our way home, I was starving and I got out of there at like 10:00 am and nothing is serving lunch at that time! We are celebrating tonight by going out to Cheesecake Bistro with a bunch of friends!
Deb-
Thanks so much! It's so nice not having that thing taped to my stomach anymore! I haven't not had tape on some part of my body since May 19th, so I'm looking forward to getting this bandage off soon!
Stephanie, 23, SCC on the right side of my tongue, surgery on 5-19-08, over half my tongue removed, free flap constructed from my forearm, bilateral neck dissection, one positive node. Radiation (32) and chemo (carboplatin) started on 6-16-08. Recurrence 4/09 in lungs.
**** Stephanie passed away 12.15.09.... RIP our dear friend****
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Steph: What a great feeling you must have being rid of that awful thing. It serves a much needed purpose but it sure is a pain in the but sometimes. Glad you are healing up so quickly. Congrats ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 507 | Sweet
Don TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm HiRes CT 6/21/08 Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08 PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08 35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11
| | | | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 711 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 711 | That is a great feeling. Got mine out 2 weeks ago and actually went swimming last weekend for the first time all summer. Enjoy your freedom.
David R. 65 yr old male non-smoker, light drinker, stage 3 or 4, depending on which doc you ask, scc rt. tonsil, 2 nodes, 7 weeks radiation and chemo. No surgery. Teatment ended 3/20/08. PET scan 8/08 showed no cancer. And now, as of oct, 2010, caregiver to wife, Linda, with breast cancer. May, 2013, Linda diagnosed with stage 3 ovarian cancer. Enuf already.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 228 | Thanks for all the replies and encouragement! It seems my excitement of having the tube out has been slightly overshadowed yesterday and today because I'm dealing with nausea for some reason. It's not bad, just annoying more than anything. Yesterday morning I woke up very excited to take the bandage off my peg tube site so I could take a picture of the hole but it was ALREADY CLOSED! In less than 24 hours! I was so disappointed! Oh well, hopefully I'll get a handle on this nausea and I can truly enjoy being tube-less!
Stephanie, 23, SCC on the right side of my tongue, surgery on 5-19-08, over half my tongue removed, free flap constructed from my forearm, bilateral neck dissection, one positive node. Radiation (32) and chemo (carboplatin) started on 6-16-08. Recurrence 4/09 in lungs.
**** Stephanie passed away 12.15.09.... RIP our dear friend****
| | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | Har! I wish my tracheotomy hole had sealed up that fast! Everyone said it would, and my first PEG hole did, but this time it held on forever and I had to keep cleaning it (and covering it with finger to talk!).
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
| | | | Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 | Urk. That stinks, Stephanie. I'm dealing with a vaguely upset stomach as well, when I eat by mouth. Last night I drank about half of a Carnation VHC, felt nauseous, and put the rest down the PEG with no problem. This doesn't make any sense, right?? Its very frustrating. But hang in there, kid! I'm sure this too shall pass.
-Margaret
Stage IV SCC lt lateral tongue, surgery 5/19/08 (partial gloss/upper neck dissection left side/radial free flap reconstruction) IMRT w/weekly Cisplatin & Erbitux 6/30/08, PEG 1 6/12/08 - out 7/14 (in abdominal wall, not stomach), PEG 2 7/23/08 - out 11/20/08, Tx done 8/18/08 Second SCC tumor, Stage 1, rt mobile tongue, removed 10/18/2016, right neck dissection 12/9/2016 Third SCC tumor, diagnosed, 4/19/2108, rt submandibular mass, HPV-, IMRT w/ weekly Cisplatin, 5/9 - 6/25/2018, PEG 3 5/31/2018
| | | | Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 113 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 113 | Oh, that's interesting. I often wondered how that worked inside the body. Thanks. Claudia
Husband 2/3 tongue removed March 2008. Free flap. . Stage IV. Radiation and 3 chemo's (cisplatin,taxol & erbitux). .Pet scan Aug 08 showed mets to lungs .Oct 08, recurrence. - In the arms of Jesus, July 15, 2009
| | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | Margaret, I'm having the reverse problem -- I get uncomfortable if with the PEG feeding, esp if I do it too fast (start to sweat and stomach aches) but I can drink stuf with no ill effects (I sure wish it tasted better!).
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
| | | | Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2008 Posts: 551 | Pete,
That stinks too! You've been having trouble with this all along, right? And I hear you about the taste - most food has no flavor at all or it tastes awful. I have been trying to get more food down, but its still a struggle, and I really want to get rid of this tube.
This "one day at a time" stuff is hard sometimes.
Stage IV SCC lt lateral tongue, surgery 5/19/08 (partial gloss/upper neck dissection left side/radial free flap reconstruction) IMRT w/weekly Cisplatin & Erbitux 6/30/08, PEG 1 6/12/08 - out 7/14 (in abdominal wall, not stomach), PEG 2 7/23/08 - out 11/20/08, Tx done 8/18/08 Second SCC tumor, Stage 1, rt mobile tongue, removed 10/18/2016, right neck dissection 12/9/2016 Third SCC tumor, diagnosed, 4/19/2108, rt submandibular mass, HPV-, IMRT w/ weekly Cisplatin, 5/9 - 6/25/2018, PEG 3 5/31/2018
| | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,128 | Actually, today I drank two cans of Nutren 2.0 back-to-back (pushing it, I know...) and almost immediately got the runs and tummy ache, but no sweats. I can usually drink one down fairly rapidly with no ill effects.
For me it isn't the PEG tube itself so much as losing the tube is a symbol of progress.
Age 67 1/2 Ventral Tongue SCC T2N0M0G1 10/05 Anterior Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 6/08 Base of Tongue SCC T2N0M0G2 12/08 Three partial glossectomy (10/05,11/05,6/08), PEG, 37 XRT 66.6 Gy 1/06 Neck dissection, trach, PEG & forearm free flap (6/08) Total glossectomy, trach, PEG & thigh free flap (12/08) On August 21, 2010 at 9:20 am, Pete went off to play with the ratties in the sky.
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