#53897 04-19-2007 12:35 PM | Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 525 "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) | OP "Above & Beyond" Member (300+ posts) Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 525 | My brother was watching me make our coffee and when I used two sugars he said I should refrain from sugar. Is he correct? He said something about acidity or something....?
DX 3-21-07 L tongue,SCC Stage IV (T3N2MO) TX Slash/Burn/Poison Method. ***Rapid Aggressive Recurrence 8-4-07 with same DX/TX. Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh. Never Give Up! ****UPDATE**** Our dear friend Petey passed away, RIP 9-2-07
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#53898 04-19-2007 01:14 PM | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 176 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 176 | Good question. I've heard that rumor floating around. Story that I heard was that glucose is used as a seeker in bonding with cancer in enhanced scans, therefore, sugar feeds cancer cells?? Who knows, I guess again that moderation is the key. Hope all is well Petey. Please give an update to the board when you have one. All my best. Rob J.
6-05, Left Tonsil-T1N2bM0 stageIVA, chemo(Cisplatin), radiation(6660cGy), neck disection, no PEG. HPV negative. (Doc suspects posit) 3-9-09 last of 30 HBO treatments.
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#53899 04-19-2007 01:31 PM | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,676 | Don't know the answer to that question, but I can remember a comment that John's Oncologist\surgeon made when he was losing so much weight- it was " well, you are starving the cancer cells at least". Amy in the Ozarks
CGtoJohn:SCC Flr of Mouth.Dx 3\05. Surg.4\05.T3NOMO.IMRTx30. Recur Dx 1\06.Surg 2\06. Chemo: 4 Cycles of Carbo\Taxol:on Erbitux for 7 mo. Lost our battle 2-23-07- But not the will to fight this disease
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#53900 04-21-2007 01:59 PM | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 209 Gold Member (200+ posts) | Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 209 | Hi Petey, Mike and I heard that it is not true about the sugar. This was second hand information that we got from the oncology pharmacist where Mike got his treatment. Mike was in for lab work for his 6 month follow up apppointment. The oncology pharmacist stopped to visit with him and while they were talking, Mike brought up the sugar question. The pharmacist said it was funny that he brought that up, 'cus just a few days before, the Radiology Doctor was talking to all the lab and pharmacy employees about that subject. The doctor told them sugar from your diet would not feed cancer.
Unlike most others on this board, Mike has a big craving for chocolate. It is one of the things he can taste well and enjoy. I was starting to nag him about it, I thought it was true about sugar and cancer. Information on this site concerning pet/ct scans and light ups that are subject to interpretation, glucose and the behavior of cancer cells on a molecular level.... well..., concluding sugar is bad is what I came to.
I suppose, not having the education to interpret the doctor's statement fully, I should conclude that moderation is called for. As long as a balanced diet is being consumed, some sweet stuff is mabey ok in moderation.
So, now I can only partially nag at Mike. A Moderate Nag. Hmmm...now that's a challenge!
Take care, Ginny C/G to Mike
Ginny, spouse of MikeG. SSC BOT T2N1M0 Stage III, Dx 06/27/06 at age 52, Tx 07/31/06 through 09/28/06 Chemo Cisplatin & 5FU x2, Radiation x42. Cancer free and doing well.
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#53901 04-22-2007 08:49 AM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 | Old wives tales. Please do a search on this topic. Gary has answered this in detail and with elegance in a past thread.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | |
#53902 04-22-2007 06:15 PM | Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) | Patient Advocate (1000+ posts) Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,627 | All I can say is that I eat chocolate EVERY SINGLE DAY, and not just a little of it. The Hersey Kisses that are called "Hugs" are one of the very few things that I am able to pop in my mouth and eat normally. They melt in my mouth, no need for chewing. I can eat them anywhere and even have a conversation while doing it, so, I eat them alot. It's been four years and all that sugar has done no more then keep a few pounds on me that I need I suspect! I trust Brian, as always, and believe this to be an old wives tale.
SCC Left Mandible. Jaw replaced with bone from leg. Neck disection, 37 radiation treatments. Recurrence 8-28-07, stage 2, tongue. One third of tongue removed 10-4-07. 5-23-08 chemo started for tumor behind swallowing passage, Our good friend and much loved OCF member Minnie has been lost to the disease (RIP 10-29-08). We will all miss her greatly.
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#53903 04-23-2007 04:33 AM | Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 541 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 541 | I haven't heard of that either but I do keep my consumption of sugar to a minimum level as I am diabetic. Another point is eating sugar is harmful to my teeth as they decay faster without the necessary saliva protecting them. But occasionally, I can't resist the temptation of chocolate and dessert and will take some to satisfy my desire.
Karen
Karen stage 4B (T3N3M0)tonsil cancer diagnosed in 9/2001.Concurrent chemo-radiation treatment ( XRT x 48 /Cisplatin x 4) ended in 12/01. Have been in remission ever since.
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#53904 04-23-2007 04:40 AM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 | Whether you eat it or not, your body is going to convert other foods to blood sugar...it's how you are wired and what makes things work. Dietary sugar is irrevelant in the world of cancer.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | |
#53905 06-25-2007 05:33 AM | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 17 Member | Member Joined: May 2007 Posts: 17 | I had two specialists tell me "Cancer is hungry for sugar." One was the person administering the PET scan... sugar is how it works. They put a radioactive isotope in glucose, inject it into your veins, and within 45 minutes the cancer has gobbled it all up, isolating the radioactive isotope into the cancerous areas. My radiation technician at the clinic said the same thing. I would say that if you don't need the sugar, try to wean yourself off of it.
Nasopharyngeal carcinoma, epithelioma-like carcinoma. (T2ANOMO IIa). Completed 35 rad treatments June 19, 2007. "When god closes one door he opens another; but sometimes it's hell in the hallway."
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#53906 06-25-2007 07:43 AM | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 41 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 41 | We were told the same thing when husband got his PET scan, but the oncologist said he has seen no medical studies that prove this. Pete had stayed away from his sweet tea and cokes due to this. Don't know who was right, but all he drinks now is water..not taking any chances.
Husband age 48, diagnosed 5/10/07 with stage 4 mouth cancer, surgury not an option, teeth removed 6/21/07, 5x wks of rad with Cisplatin 1x week for 7-8 week course starting 7/10/07. Update 02/25/08 right maxillectomy and right infratemporal fossa resection
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#53907 06-25-2007 09:30 AM | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 666 | Brian is correct. Your body will convert food into sugar whether you want this or not and whether you eat sugars or not. Blood glucose levels are normally tightly controlled. Also, before you jump to the conclusion that glucose is bad, recall that glucose is the primary source of energy for your cells! You NEED glucose in your blood.
It might not be the best idea to consume a lot of sugar because of dental problems. The PET scan story is interesting, but please remember. FIRST you are made to starve so that your glucose level is quite low. In fact if the glucose level is not low enough they will not do the PET scan. Then you are give a radioactive sugar analogue. This accumulates in metabolically active tissues (i.e cancer etc) which you then see.
Partial glossectomy (25%) anterior tongue. 4/6/07/. IMRT start @5/24/07 (3x) Erbitux start/end@ 5/24/07. IMRT wider field (30x) start 6/5/07. Weekly cisplatin (2x30mg/m2), then weekly carbo- (5x180mg/m2). End of Tx 19 July 07.
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#53908 06-25-2007 04:24 PM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 | You need to read up on why a PET scan works - it has been discussed here before, but I'll do it again briefly. ALL cells burn sugars. Cells that are working harder than normal (inflammation, infection etc.) burn it faster than normal, they have a faster metabolism. Cancer cells burn it very rapidly as they have the highest metabolism.
They inject you with a radioactive glucose formula and you lay around for an hour so that the cells in your body can have time to absorb it. Those that absorb the most of it show up on the scans. These MAY be cancer cells or they may be an area that is healing or inflamed for other reasons, hence the high rate of false positives with PET scans right after treatments. My annual PET shows my hips, knees and other areas of chronic inflammation from beating myself up over the years as hot spots. Last PET I also had some nodes in my chest light up but that was determined to be aspiration pneumonia
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | | | Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 309 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 309 | ---[cut] Reduce simple sugar intake
Simple sugars enter the bloodstream quickly and cause a rise in insulin and other growth-promoting hormones. Research shows that high levels of these hormones may increase the growth of cancer cells. The key to reducing these hormones is reducing your intake of simple sugars. Complex carbohydrates do not affect insulin the same as simple sugars, and thousands of research studies have shown that they actually reduce the risk of cancer. [paste]---
Rita - Age 44 wife, mother of 4 - ages 3,16,21,24 & grandma to 1 (R upper) Maxillectomy 8/8/08 - UW / Seattle, WA.
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| | | | Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 531 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 531 | This is an interesting topic as I have read several other places that cancer feeds off of sugar. As a diabetic that really spooked me as I know how many many foods are turn into sugar naturally by the body and how many many things in this day of age are made with sugar. I also know how much the body needs sugar. I decided to just keep intake to a minimum and also use as natural sugars as I can ie fruit, breads, brown sugar. Wheather or not it makes a difference or not it makes me feel better that I am making some sort of effort and difference to the sugars in my body
Dianne..treatment at cc at Victoria Hospital, London, Ontario...insulin dependant, Surgery Sept 8/08 Tracheotomy,composite resection and bilateral neck dissection, left radial forearm free flap... T2N0 squamous cell carcinoma. No radiation A little over 2 yrs clear YAY
| | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 | Do a search for sugar on the boards. We have discussed this before at length, and people who do not understand that even if you don't eat sugar, your body will make it, don't get some very basic biology. Malignant cells have a higher metabolic rate than normal ones, so yeah, in the simplest sense of the idea, they feed off of sugar, but so does every other cell in your body. It does not matter whether or not the sugars you eat are simple, natural, or whatever. Your body is going to covert it. Sugar is sugar.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | |
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