#41196 05-14-2007 03:57 AM | Joined: May 2007 Posts: 27 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | OP Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: May 2007 Posts: 27 | Has anyone used Caphasol? If so, does it help? I have researched it but, would like to hear from anyone who has used it.
Thanks, Pam
Caregiver of husband, age 57, non-smoker, DX: 4/07 w/undifferentiaed SCC, TX IMRT X37 @ 200, Chemo Cisplatin, 5FU X2. TREATMENTS COMPLETED ON 6/20/07!!
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#41197 06-09-2007 10:55 AM | Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 Member | Member Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 | Haven't tried it yet but when I asked about it Friday at Jim's visit with the radiation oncology nurse on Friday she gave us some samples to try.
Will let you know what he thinks if he agrees to try it.
Caregiver for Jim who has HNSCC (Tonsillar and right base of tongue T1, N2, Stage IV) 55 Yrs old moderate drinker and never smoked.
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#41198 07-14-2007 03:12 PM | Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 Member | Member Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 9 | Jim's experience was 'so so' nothing to rave about . Used it for awhile but stopped.
Caregiver for Jim who has HNSCC (Tonsillar and right base of tongue T1, N2, Stage IV) 55 Yrs old moderate drinker and never smoked.
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#41199 07-14-2007 09:10 PM | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 718 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 718 | I can't get my husband to do the 10 recommended daily doses. And, since he's so tired and he can't eat or drink for 15 minutes after...it messes with the whole fluid and calorie intake issue.
My husband doesn't see the benefit so far...at most he has done it 4 times per day. I just read more about it on line, and it seems to be a good thing. But, I'm pushing so hard on required medication, and eating and swallowing...I'm on the fence on this.
We just were given this last week, during treatment week 4. I'd be interested in anyone else's experiences too. Margaret ---------- C/G: Husband, 48 (at time of dx) Dx 5/18/07 SCC, BOT, lymph node involvement. T1N2BM0. (Stage 4a, G2/3) Tx 6/18 - 8/3/07, IMRT x 33 Cisplatin x3 (stopped after 1st dose due to hearing issues). Weekly Erbitux started 6/27/07 completed 8/6/07.
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#41200 07-15-2007 12:39 AM | Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 624 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 624 | Caphasol is a calcium-phosphate rinse. I have not heard of anyone using it much, would be interested in feed-back. Is it prescription or over-the-counter (OTC)? I found a good web site with a summary of oral agents for patients receiving cancer therapy: http://www.contemporaryoralhygieneonline.com/content/COH/2006/07/img/preventive.pdf It contains the old standbys such as salt/soda rinse (and recipes) and also a description of available OTC products for dry mouth and mouh sores. One product missing is Difflam mouth rinse, which is available OTC in UK and many other countries (in Canada as Tantum, a prescription drug still I think). This actually does help control mucositis as shown in double-blind clinical trials but is not yet approved in USA. However Can, UK, Aus, & New Zealand oral cancer patients should use this to reduce severity and duration of mouth sores due to radiation. Gail
CG to husband Barry, dx. 7/21/05, age 66, SCC rgt. tonsil, BOT, 2 nodes (stg. IV), HPV+, tonsillectomy, 7x carboplatin, 35x tomoTherapy IMRT w/ Ethyol @ Johns Hopkins, thru treatment 9/28/05, HPV vaccine trial 12/06-present. Looking good!
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#41201 07-15-2007 04:16 AM | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 718 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 718 | Hi Gail,
For us Caphasol is an Rx. Sine Difflam is OTC elsewhere, can it be ordered on-line. The Caphasol doesn't seem to be doing anything to relive the mouth sores. In fact, it just doesn't seem to be doing anything. Our site gave us a huge box to try, but they don't have a lot of experience with it since it is relatively new to them.
What a wonderful link you had on your post...I am going to go through the list and see if there is anything else we can try to help get Dan more comfortable.
I just paged the doc, I think thrush set in over the night in a big way. To be honest, I don't know what it is, just that I was supposed to be on the look out for it...and what they told me to look for is definitely there.
It appears that any discomfort is amplified greatly during this treatment process, as he is feeling very distressed about it.
I can't wait until these treatments are done.
By the way, I took your list to my doctor of things that helped your husband. Dan is finding some relief from items I never heard of...like Kiefer. And, we do have some RX aloe mixture that we are going to try today. They wanted us to use the Caphsol first and then try the Aloe so we could separate out how Dan reacted to each.
I haven't been successful about getting the Ethyol...I read about it early on and keep asking. They told me they, and the other docs in our state, don't believe it works and that the studies have only been done on the old RT systems and not the IMRT ones. I think if it worked on the old RT systems...it should be even better on the IMRT...but, they feel the IMRT deems it unnecessary.
I have been looking on pub med for more data...do you happen to have any? We have 3 weeks to go, do you think it's too late to keep pursuing?
M- Margaret ---------- C/G: Husband, 48 (at time of dx) Dx 5/18/07 SCC, BOT, lymph node involvement. T1N2BM0. (Stage 4a, G2/3) Tx 6/18 - 8/3/07, IMRT x 33 Cisplatin x3 (stopped after 1st dose due to hearing issues). Weekly Erbitux started 6/27/07 completed 8/6/07.
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#41202 07-15-2007 03:52 PM | Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 32 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 32 | Hi:
My husband Ken is 2yrs. out of treatment for SCC of right tonsil amd aside from still having no taste or saliva, is doing very well. He has just recently started using Caphasol. He only uses it at night before he goes to bed but he claims it does help him get through the night without gargling as much as he used to with other products. I don't know how well it would have worked had he tried it right after his treatments but it does somewhat help him now. He also chews gum during the day which helps keep his mouth moist. Hopes this helps a little.
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#41203 07-16-2007 09:42 AM | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 718 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 718 | Thanks for the feedback, Linda. Two years out...will his taste buds and some saliva return eventually? Margaret ---------- C/G: Husband, 48 (at time of dx) Dx 5/18/07 SCC, BOT, lymph node involvement. T1N2BM0. (Stage 4a, G2/3) Tx 6/18 - 8/3/07, IMRT x 33 Cisplatin x3 (stopped after 1st dose due to hearing issues). Weekly Erbitux started 6/27/07 completed 8/6/07.
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#41204 07-16-2007 04:04 PM | Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 32 Contributing Member (25+ posts) | Contributing Member (25+ posts) Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 32 | Hi Margaret,
We have no idea if either will return but we sure hope eventually both will. He has been taking Salagen but think he may go back to taking Evoxac. RO said sometimes it takes as long as 5 yrs. for saliva/taste to return. There are very few things he can taste but he never complains. He's been a "trooper" throught it all.
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#41205 07-16-2007 04:18 PM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 | The rule of thumb is that what saliva you have at 24 months is about as good as it is going to get. Radiated salivary glands do not regenerate, but if some of the cells are not completly destroyed they come back partially. But by 2 years after radiation what you have is usually what you have.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | |
#41206 07-23-2007 03:21 AM | Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 624 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 624 | The info on Ethyol not working with IMRT is wrong -- our first radiation oncologist (now retired) was an expert on salivary gland preservation and also, use of amifostine. He did a lot of comparative in-house studies. His statistics were (this from our initial cnsult notes):
"IMRT -- can preserve about 50% salivary function adding amifostine -- increases to 60-65% -- using tomoTherapy IMRT (most precise targeting) -- up to 75%. "
(Note that use of IMRT is actually the most important factor, the Ethyol only adds 10-15% improvement).
Our current RO says that he can, with careful planning, do almost as well with IMRT sans amifostine as with it (he finds a lot of people can't take the Ethyol or can't handle it for the full treatment course). He uses tomo whenever he can, but has had some problems with machine reliability.
Here is one study which looked at amifostine in a clinical setting: Antonadou et al. performed a randomized phase II trial of chemoradiation therapy with or without amifostine in 50 patients with advanced head and neck cancers.Chemotherapy consisted of weekly carboplatin .The radiation dose was 2 Gy/d,to a total of 60
CG to husband Barry, dx. 7/21/05, age 66, SCC rgt. tonsil, BOT, 2 nodes (stg. IV), HPV+, tonsillectomy, 7x carboplatin, 35x tomoTherapy IMRT w/ Ethyol @ Johns Hopkins, thru treatment 9/28/05, HPV vaccine trial 12/06-present. Looking good!
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