| Joined: May 2013 Posts: 7 Member | OP Member Joined: May 2013 Posts: 7 | I posted a few months ago about recurring symptoms with my ear and a small swollen lymph node. Since that time, unfortunately my symptoms have continued, and I have continued to be concerned. But, three months ago, I finally convinced a doctor to give me an MRI with contrast. He said there was nothing strange. Fast forward to tonight. For the first time, my swollen lymph node, which all the doctors have dismissed as too small (though usually what I now see were lazy checks), is bigger, and much harder than I thought. I reached deeper -- it's right around under the area where my jaw bone starts to go up -- and I have found that it is rock hard, and bigger than one centimeter (all the doctors, even as recently as a week and a half ago, have said don't worry because it's under a centimeter). Well, since this all started, I've gradually developed the ability to reach down my throat with my finger...since I've continued having symptoms, I continued checking. Now, just after midnight, I've discovered that the lump in my neck is basically a lump down the right side of my tongue. I know I have oncogenic HPV, so needless to say, it's going to be hard to sleep tonight. I'm terrified...two little girls, and the only income in the family. This is knocking me over...after so many doctor checks, and even the MRI...how is it possible. I have to get back to a doctor ASAP to find out if what seems obvious is true. I'm despondent. I have occasionally visited here during this time, though, and at least I take comfort in knowing what a wonderful and supportive group of people are here. Sadly, I live in Japan. I have no idea how this will all play out. I have to keep a sliver of hope...I'm officially undiagnosed. But this thing on the side of my tongue is not small. I will add a signature line soon, and certainly update. Thank you all for maintaining this site. Without it, I would feel extremely lonely in this situation.
38 yr. old American male, live in Japan. Undiagnosed as of 10/4/13, but have had symptoms since 2/28/13.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 | Welcome ntc. See an Ear, Nose and Throat specialist, ENT, and ask about a FNAB, fine needle aspirational biopsy, of the palpable neck node with ultrasound guidance. which is non-invasive, accurate, and takes about 10 minutes, which can be done by some ENT's, pathologist. all mone were done byba pathologist. Usually from the small sample they look under the microscope, and tell if it's cancer, but they always send it out to confirm, and only a biopsy can confirm cancer. I see many trials, papers, and cancer technology from Japan, some introduced there before they are here, so you may be able to find someone or a top hospital there, if not, maybe you can come to the U.S. or go to Hong Kong.
Good luck.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: May 2013 Posts: 7 Member | OP Member Joined: May 2013 Posts: 7 | Thank you, Paul. I've read so many bad things about the accuracy of FNAB, but I have to believe your experience. Thank you for the guidance.
38 yr. old American male, live in Japan. Undiagnosed as of 10/4/13, but have had symptoms since 2/28/13.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 | It also depends on the experience of the pathologist, analyzing the sample, and using US to get a good sample. If not, they can do a direct biopsy, but a FNAB is preferred per NCCN guidelines, which does not interfere with any future surgeries like a direct biopsy can or run the risks associated with surgeries, but either can be done. I had 7, at three different cancer centers, two that are top, and all sent me for a FNAB, and were accurate.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 421 Likes: 1 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 421 Likes: 1 | Hi NTC,
When I read your words, I sense the fear you have. There are a few other things that stand out to me.
You've had several doctor's checks and an MRI that came back negative. You've obviously been poking around in the area of concern as you've developed the ability to reach down your throat! This is an ability I'm pleased to say I don't have! Poking a prodding an area like that certainly can aggravate things regardless of an issue.
You obviously have worked yourself up into believing you have cancer and you've not been diagnosed. I suggest you stop sticking your finger down your throat, take a deep breath and calm down. It's not cancer until they say it's cancer!
I truly understand your fear as mine came true BUT you've not been diagnosed and all the doctors thus far feel there's nothing to worry about. That's pretty positive in my opinion! Make an appointment with your doctor and express your concerns. The only way to truly diagnose OC is through a biopsy. However, if there's nothing to biopsy then sooner or later after getting the all clear from medical professionals, you're going to have to find a way to trust what they're saying.
Good Luck, positive thoughts and prayers.
"T"
57 Cardiac bypass 11/07 Cardiac stents 10/2012 Dx'd 11/30/2012 Tx N2b MO Stage IV HPV+ Palatine Tonsillectomy/Biopsies 12-21-12 Selective Neck Dissection/Lingual Tonsillectomy/biopsies TORS 2/7/13 Emergency Surgery/Bleeding 2/18/13 3/13/2013 30rads/6chemo Finished Tx 4/24/13 NED Since
| | | | Joined: May 2013 Posts: 7 Member | OP Member Joined: May 2013 Posts: 7 | I am finally going for a FNA biopsy tomorrow of the lymph node in my neck. Everything seems to be moving in slow-motion. After tomorrow, I have to wait until Oct. 30th for results. It has been 8 months since I had all of the symptoms, including this swollen node. So many doctors have said "it's only 1cm, so it's not important". It makes me want to scream now that I finally realize that is meaningless, and none of them suggested getting a biopsy on it. Of course, I blame myself the most...I just kept assuming the doctors knew best. I guess there are no particular suggestions you might have about the FNA or questions I should ask, but if you have any, please let me know. I'm fully convinced that it is cancerous. I have high risk HPV, and the lymph node is so hard and seems to be attached to one side deep on my tongue. The only thing is, no doctor has been able to see problems when scoping my throat...I cannot understand it. I'm concerned there is no primary. It's really hard being in Japan, but I don't think my insurance here would cover me in the US, otherwise I would be at Johns Hopkins in a minute, since it is near where I live. Anyway, I know this forum is really for supporting people with confirmed diagnoses, and I am not quite there yet. But I will lean on your advice a lot if I am. Thanks for listening.
38 yr. old American male, live in Japan. Undiagnosed as of 10/4/13, but have had symptoms since 2/28/13.
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 | Good luck. Ask for the sample to be tested for HPV.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 | What do you mean "I have a high risk HPV" ?
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
| | | | Joined: May 2013 Posts: 134 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: May 2013 Posts: 134 | I panicked too. They told me to hang on that things would move fast. Right after that was a two week wait. In hindsight I should not have worried about the. "What ifs". There are a trillion of them. Concentrate on what you know for sure.
I only have one tongue. My doc was taking care of about a dozen tongues. It doesn't hurt to stay on top of things but there is a natural speed and rhythm to the process. Do things you enjoy. Pack on some pounds if you can.
In my case it was sad that it took cancer to remind me to "Do things I enjoy"...
Dx March 2011 via FNA (49 yrs old) SCC BoT HPV+ exact strain unknown Stage IVa T3N2cM0 Cisplatin x 3, IMRT x 40 (7267 cGy) One node removed post-treatment (rad dmg) Clean PET 10/28/11 Swallow therapy | | |
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