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#162095 02-26-2013 02:28 PM
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HI All - I am in my 4th week of treatment and will be having a PEG tube put in on Friday as my food/fluid intake is greatly decreasing. Since the tube is goind in on Friday, my RO is recommending taking a few days off from radiation - Friday, Monday and Tuesday.

Has anyone else had to take 'breaks' from treatment? I am concerned about interrupting the effectiveness of continued treatment (though my treatment is on 5x per week, no Saturdays or Sundays).

Thanks,
Nanchy


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Age 56 at diagnosis
Neck Lymph node removed 11/2012
Tonsillectomy perfomed 12/2012 - identified as primary
SCC Left Tonsil with Left Node involvement, DX 12/2012
RX started 1/29/2013, finished 3/23/2013;
Daily IMRT (35 Sessions)
Weekly Taxol/Carboplatin (6 weeks)
PEG placed after week 4 (3/1/2013)
PEG removed 6 1/2 months later (8/12/2013)
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Hi Nancy,if at all possible I would not take a break fom the radiation. Having a PEG inserted is a fairly minor procedure and you should be well straight after it. Is there another reason your RO thinks you take a few days off.
Tammy


Caregiver/advocate to Husband Kris age 59@ diagnosis
DX Dec '10 SCC BOT T4aN2bM0 HPV+ve.Cisplatin x3 35 IMRT.
PET 6/11 clear.
R) level 2-4 neck dissection 8/1/11 to remove residual node - necrotic with NED
Feb '12 Ca back.. 3/8/12 total glossectomy/laryngectomy/bilat neck dissection/partial pharyngectomy etc. clear margins. All nodes negative for disease. PEG in.
March 2017 - 5 years disease free. Woohoo!
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It's best not to stop, but sometimes it is necessary. My last treatment I had a five day break, due to hurricane Sandy shutting down the hospital. Two days were made up by going for a 6th day. I missed two treatments due to being hospitalized for a blood transfusion. These, and the rest of thd missed days were added at the end, which your RO may do the same. Interrupting treatment gives cancer cells a chance to regenerate. They could put a nasal tube in instead, if for a short duration like 6 weeks, which may involve no days lost. I read of radiation stoppage to be the equivalent of a 1 percent reduction of overall survival, but your doctor may be saying this for good reasons. Good luck with everything.


10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
06/11 30 HBO
08/11 RND PNI
06/12 SND PNI LVI
08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
10/13 SND
10/13 TBO/Angiograph
10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
06/17 Heart Attack Stent
02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs






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Listen to your doctor. I had a break in radiation because my neck was so badly burned. I have had nothing but clear scans in 3 1/2 years. It is probably best not to take a break, but do what your doctor recommends. They did add a few extra radiation treatments on at the end for me.


Female, nonsmoker, 70, diag. 5/09 after tongue biopsy: stage IV. Left hemi-gloss. and left selec. neck disec. 30 lymph nodes removed May 20. Over 7 weeks daily rads. with three chemo. PEG removed 12/4/09 Am eating mostly soft foods. Back to work 11/09 Retired 4/1/11. 7 clear scans! Port out 9/11. 2/13. It's back: base of tongue, very invasive
surgery involving lifestyle changes. 2/14: Now speaking w/Passey-Muir valve. Considering a swallow study. Grateful to be alive.
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Im surprised your doctor is suggesting you skip some days. You may be a bit sore for a couple days after having the tube installed. Im sure your doc has their reasons for skipping days, you will probably have the days tacked onto the end.

It will take some practice to get the hang of using the tube. Please ask if you have questions and we can help give you some pointers. Even with the tube, make sure you continue to swallow water every single day. Just by taking small sips thru out the day will help your body not to forget how to swallow. Its far harder to relearn this function than you would think.

Nutrition and hydration are the key to getting thru this easier. Every single day you need to take in a minimum of 2500 calories and 48 oz of water. When you get the tube, ask for a pump too. That way you can let it run while you sleep and make it so much easier to take in enough. It really does make a big difference.

Good luck with your surgery!


Christine
SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44
2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07
-65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr
Clear PET 1/08
4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I
surg 4/16/08 clr marg
215 HBO dives
3/09 teeth out, trismus
7/2/09 recur, Stg IV
8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy
3wks medicly inducd coma
2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit
PICC line IV antibx 8 mo
10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg
OC 3x in 3 years
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Christmas and New Year's came right in the middle of my husband's treatment. Because of the holidays, he was given two session days three times so that the staff could have their holidays. The RO told us that he knew it wasn't the most pleasant of things to do but interruption would have an adverse effect long term. John also got a feeding tube on a Friday and went right back to radiation after the weekend. It wasn't a big deal really. Incidentally, John got the bolus feeding tube which does not necessitate the use of a pump. We rather like it as a feed takes no more than ten minutes.


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She stood in the storm, and when the wind did not blow her way, she adjusted her sails... Elizabeth Edwards

Wife to John,dx 10/2012, BOT, HPV+, T3N2MO, RAD 70 gy,Cisplatinx2 , PEG in Dec 6, 2012, dx dvt in both legs after second chemo session, Apr 03/13 NED, July 2013 met to lungs, Phase 1 immunotherapy trial Jan 18/14 to July/14. Taxol/carboplatin July/14. Esophagus re-opened Oct 14. PEG out April 8, 2015. Phase 2 trial of Selinexor April to July 2015. At peace Jan 15, 2016.
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Ditto what gm said. It's a very simple procedure. Don't skip any treatments unless necessary. Take care.


Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
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Let me clarify about the pump a little better. There are 3 types of feeding methods. Gravity is where it slowly runs into the tube. Bolus is using a syringe to do the feeding and push where you push it in with a syringe. The feeding pump is a piece of equipment obtained thru a prescription from a medical supply company. It will enable the tube user to hook up a bag at night to run while they sleep or even while sitting watching tv. Some patients cant tolerate the other feeding methods. I tried every other way to do the feedings but each way was too fast and created problems for me. The only way I could do a feeding was to use the pump. Most often if a person experiences problems with using liquid nutrition it can be handled by slowing down the speed of the feeding and watering it down.

The most common types of feeding tubes are the PEG tube, J/G tube, and the Mikey button. Most members get the PEG tube which goes right into the stomach and has a 'tail' sticking out. The Mikey button is like the PEG tube but its flush to the skin and can be changed at home when needed. A J/G tube has 2 sections, one going into the stomach and the other going into the area of the intestines right past the stomach. Not as many patients get the J/G tube or Mikey button. I have experience in both the PEG tube and the J/G tube as I have used both for a few years.

Please let me know if you need any help with learning how to use the tube. It might be a good idea to ask for a visiting nurse to check on you and the feeding tube. You may be entitled to a few visits which could be very helpful in adapting.

Good luck Friday!!!


Christine
SCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44
2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07
-65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr
Clear PET 1/08
4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I
surg 4/16/08 clr marg
215 HBO dives
3/09 teeth out, trismus
7/2/09 recur, Stg IV
8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy
3wks medicly inducd coma
2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit
PICC line IV antibx 8 mo
10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg
OC 3x in 3 years
very happy to be alive smile
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Hi, Nancy.

I'm am a Mass General/Mass Eye & Ear patient. I'm not sure where you are getting your treatments, but I noticed that you also live in MA.

I finished my treatment for my second round of cancer on 10/31/12.

My second round (dx and treatment) was virtually the same as yours if you look at my signature. I had to take a couple of days off once, too. From chemo and rads. I was hospitalized due to neutropenia. I would think that if you are at a top cancer center, then you can trust your team's decision. That's what's good about the team approach. Many talented, experienced clinicians are taking good care of you.

Best of luck with the feeding tube and getting adequate water/nutrition. I many difficulties with my feeding tubes (yes, tubes). Those suckers caused me more problems that I care to remember,but that's not the norm.

Please keep us posted and hang in there with the rest of your treatments. We are here for you!

xoxo,
Kerri


37 y/o fem at Dx (23 wks preg @ dx on 3/16/11)
SCC L oral tongue (no risk factors)
L partial gloss/MND 3/28/11 @ 25 wks preg
T1-2N0M0; no rads/chemo
Tonsillectomy on 8/6/12 +SCC L tonsil T2-3N1M0 (HPV-)
Treated with 35 rads/7 carbo & taxol (Rx ended 10/31/12), but many hospitalizations d/t complications from rx.
Various scans since rx ended are NED!
Part of genetic study for rare cancers @ MGH.
44 years old now...I wasn't sure I would make it! Hoping for 40 more!
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Hi All,

Thanks for your replies; any missed days will be added to the end so I will have the full 35 session.

Kerri -
I had my surgeries (node removal and tonscillectomy) done at MEEI (by Dr. Kevin Emerick). Since I live closer to Worcester I am having my rad/chemo treatments at UMMass in Worcester. Dr. Emerick and my local MO & RO all consulted and worked the treatment plan together.

Any missed RO days from the PEG placement will be added on to the end. The tube goes in tomorrow (Friday) and if things go smoothly, I am going to request Radiation on Monday & Tuesday (rather than waiting until Wednesday as the RO suggested.) Right now my throat is quite sore - some bloody tissue and mucous, so I am hoping the PEG procedure is uneventful and doesn't further irritate my throat.

Thx,
Nancy



Nancy
Age 56 at diagnosis
Neck Lymph node removed 11/2012
Tonsillectomy perfomed 12/2012 - identified as primary
SCC Left Tonsil with Left Node involvement, DX 12/2012
RX started 1/29/2013, finished 3/23/2013;
Daily IMRT (35 Sessions)
Weekly Taxol/Carboplatin (6 weeks)
PEG placed after week 4 (3/1/2013)
PEG removed 6 1/2 months later (8/12/2013)
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Hi, Nancy.

I hope the PEG placement goes well. You'll just be sore in the tummy for a few days and turning in bed/coughing might hurt a bit. Brace your tummy with a firm throw pillow if you are going to cough or sneeze and that will help with the pain.

Your throat shouldn't be any worse due to the procedure. They shouldn't have to intubate you for this placement, just IV sedation. You will most likely be able to go to rads on MOnday if you truly feel up to it. I understand that you want to "git 'er done"!

Best wishes for tomorrow! BTW, my doctor is Daniel Deschler, MD...love him to pieces!

xoxo,
Kerri


37 y/o fem at Dx (23 wks preg @ dx on 3/16/11)
SCC L oral tongue (no risk factors)
L partial gloss/MND 3/28/11 @ 25 wks preg
T1-2N0M0; no rads/chemo
Tonsillectomy on 8/6/12 +SCC L tonsil T2-3N1M0 (HPV-)
Treated with 35 rads/7 carbo & taxol (Rx ended 10/31/12), but many hospitalizations d/t complications from rx.
Various scans since rx ended are NED!
Part of genetic study for rare cancers @ MGH.
44 years old now...I wasn't sure I would make it! Hoping for 40 more!
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Based on what I was told, you really can not make up for a break by just adding them to the end. Also, the more treatments you have had the less likely a small break will degrade your overall treatment effectiveness.



Don
TXN2bM0 Stage IVa SCC-Occult Primary
FNA 6/6/08-SCC in node<2cm
PET/CT 6/19/08-SCC in 2nd node<1cm
HiRes CT 6/21/08
Exploratory,Tonsillectomy(benign),Right SND 6/23/08
PEG 7/3/08-11/6/08
35 TomoTherapy 7/16/08-9/04/08 No Chemo
Clear PET/CT 11/15/08, 5/15/09, 5/28/10, 7/8/11

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I heard the same, and agree.


10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil
11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp
01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks
06/11 30 HBO
08/11 RND PNI
06/12 SND PNI LVI
08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy
10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux
10/13 SND
10/13 TBO/Angiograph
10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI
12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo
11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO
03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN
09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy
04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site
06/17 Heart Attack Stent
02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs






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I missed two treatments during my rads - once because of a holiday and once the machine broke down. They actually doubled me up the next day... &#128541;


Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
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