| Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Congrats on a successful surgery! Wishing a speedy, pain free recovery.
Most members here have squamous cell carcinoma. Thats what I had and am most familiar with. Im not familiar with basal cell carcinoma type of cancer. Some only will get surgery while others with more advanced cases or margins not so clear or with a suspected spread will need radiation as a clean up tool. At this point try not to worry too much about 'what if' the future holds. If its deemed necessary then the doctor will let you know what the next step will be.
Best wishes! ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 381 "OCF Canuck" Platinum Member (300+ posts) | "OCF Canuck" Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 381 | Mines was also squamous cell. My margins came back clear and my nodes were negative for cancer on the pathology.
My oncologist said because the recurrence rate is so high (30-40%), and there was some peri-neural invasion, and the tumour was relatively deep, I should still give consideration to radiation (although not chemo) as a preventative measure, but it was my choice.
He indicated there was no "wrong" answer, and it really is dependant on everyone's individual circumstances. I have decided to hold off on radiation for the moment, and keep a very close on eye on everything.
Tina Diag: Aug. 13/12 T3N0M0 50% + glossectomy and bilateral radical neck dissection, removal of nodes zones I - V Surgery October 11/12 Chemo/rad on hold due to clear margins and nodes Sept 21/13 clear CT with anomaly thought to be the artery, being watched closely. Dec 16/13 - anomaly confirmed artery, all clear nickname: "get 'r done" Plans: kick cancer's butt
| | | | Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 3,267 Likes: 1 | Good luck with the pathology results. Not saying this is cancer, and about 95 percent of H&N Cancer is Squamous Cell Carcinoma, the clear margins during surgery can come back postive from the frozen section sent out for further study. Basal Cell Carcinoma occurs in he skin. Not much you can do, other than worry, until the final findings are in, and have some faith that the doctor thinks it's not cancer.
10/09 T1N2bM0 Tonsil 11/09 Taxo Cisp 5-FU, 6 Months Hosp 01/11 35 IMRT 70Gy 7 Wks 06/11 30 HBO 08/11 RND PNI 06/12 SND PNI LVI 08/12 RND Pec Flap IORT 12 Gy 10/12 25 IMRT 50Gy 6 Wks Taxo Erbitux 10/13 SND 10/13 TBO/Angiograph 10/13 RND Carotid Remove IORT 10Gy PNI 12/13 25 Protons 50Gy 6 Wks Carbo 11/14 All Teeth Extract 30 HBO 03/15 Sequestromy Buccal Flap ORN 09/16 Mandibulectomy Fib Flap Sternotomy 04/17 Regraft hypergranulation Donor Site 06/17 Heart Attack Stent 02/19 Finally Cancer Free Took 10 yrs
| | | | Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | "OCF Canuck" Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 5,260 Likes: 3 | Hi there.. if it's in the tongue I imagine it would be squamous cell carcinoma... but hopefully it's not. If the margins come back clear chances are they will not do anything after unless there is spread to nodes, or perineural involvement (usually if the tumor is deep it hits a nerve) At this point there is a better chance of microscopic spread. This may lead them to recommend rads (possibly chemo)
If they do not then definitely keep an eye out for swollen lymph nodes in the neck, and or unhealing sores in his mouth. If either happen then have him back in the office ASAP.
One of the mistakes some of the drs make is assuming they got it all but microscopic cancer can sit in the nodes and flare up later. This is why this cancer has to be monitored carefully. My dr. already knowing it was cancer removed a chunk of my tongue and despite knowing I had no node involvement also took out 40 lymph nodes... at the end of it he said in my opinion you are cured but still sent me for rads because between the biopsy, and CTs and MRIs a node popped up and by the time they did the surgery it had leaked some of its cells... this cancer can move quickly so hopefully they have nipped it in the bud... assuming it's cancer at all... I hope and pray it isn't... best of luck with the results.
Cheryl : Irritation - 2004 BX: 6/2008 : Inflam. BX: 12/10, DX: 12/10 : SCC - LS tongue well dif. T2N1M0. 2/11 hemigloss + recon. : PND - 40 nodes - 39 clear. 3/11 - 5/11 IMRT 33 + cis x2, PEG 3/28/11 - 5/19/11 3 head, 2 chest scans - clear(fingers crossed) HPV-, No smoke, drink, or drugs, Vegan
| | | | Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 56 Supporting Member (50+ posts) | Supporting Member (50+ posts) Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 56 | I would encourage two things at this stage if by chance they are not already in progress: First, get a second opinion (including a review of the operative and pathology reports) by an oncologist specializing in oral cancer. The reason I recommend this is that the current doctor may or may not have specific expertise relative to his type of cancer, and if the doctor is a surgeon, a medical oncologist brings another, non-surgical perspective that can be somewhat different.
Second, be sure to have regular follow-up exams and scans, so that if by chance there is a later reoccurrence it will be caught as early as possible. The follow-up could be detailed oral exams by an ENT that involve a repeat scoping of the throat and possibly CT scans (detailed high-resolution x-rays) and/or PET scans (which highlight areas where there is more metabolic activity, as might occur from cancer or inflammation).
Think of both of the above as taking out an insurance policy to reduce risk. Good luck!
Ed H, NE Ohio SCC BOT with lymph node involvement, HPV+, diagnosed 7/12 Radiation and Cisplatin
| | | | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 | [quote=Caroline1972]I have a question, let's say it is something but the pathology shows she got it all and the margins are clear. Is that the end, like with a basal cell carcinoma or does he still need to go through treatment? [/quote] Short answer: It depends.
In my husband's case (see my signature), what had initially been diagnosed as dysplasia (abnormal cells, but not cancer) did turn out to be squamous cell carcinoma when the whole white patch was taken out -- but it was removed at such an early stage, and with clear margins, that the cancer specialist ENT he saw after he got the SCC diagnosis said no further treatment was necessary. That said, he did go back to that ENT for checkups on a regular basis; the appointments lengthened out over time, and now he gets checked annually. (His dentist also checks him with a VELscope and refers him to an oral surgeon whenever she sees anything out of the ordinary; no problems so far, knock on wood.)
Others here have had clear margins, but because of concerns about possible spread, or the size of the tumor, or nerve involvement, or the staging that was determined from the biopsy and other tests, they've gone through radiation/chemo.
Here's hoping you don't have to be concerned about any of this -- but if it turns out that you do, you're in the right place for information and advice.
Leslie
April 2006: Husband dx by dentist with leukoplakia on tongue. Oral surgeon's biopsy 4/28/06: Moderate dysplasia; pathology report warned of possible "skip effect." ENT's excisional biopsy (got it all) 5/31/06: SCC in situ/small bit superficially invasive. Early detection saves lives.
| | | | Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 8 Member | OP Member Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 8 | Hi everyone, we got great news, it is not cancer and no suspicious cells Thank God. She actually had the report a couple days after surgery but we got the official report on Monday. It said it was negative for neoplasia on all three pieces that were sent. I wanted to copy the report but my husband scanned it in and it will not let me copy and paste. But basically that it was mild acanthosis and subjacent parakeratosis but negative for neoplasia. Also the portion was squamous mucosa, submucosa and skeletal muscle showing ulcer with granulation tissue and showing mild to moderate acute and chronic irritation and negative for neoplasia.
I thank you all for your support and I pray for everyone's health here, you really helped us through a scary time and I am very grateful to all of you. Thank you so much you will never know what your support meant to us. God bless you all.
| | | | Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) | "OCF Down Under" Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 225 | Caroline, that is just fantastic! Have a wonderful Christmas !
Brother 49yo DX 22/6/11 Tonsil SCC HPV+ Stage IV T4N1(?)M0. Carbo/docetaxel (Taxotere)19/7, 11/8 (with E-tux), 1/9; E-tux 11/8, 25/8, 15/9, 30/9, 14/10, 28/10; IMRT X 35 (70gy tumour;63gy nodes;56gy gen area) 19/9-4/11/11. Clear PET scan 1/2/12. 1 and 2 year post treatment checks good. | | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | Congrats Caroline!!!! Always love seeing members come back with good news. Best wishes with continued good health!!! ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Senior Patient Advocate Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 8,311 |
David
Age 58 at Dx, HPV16+ SCC, Stage IV BOT+2 nodes, non smoker, casual drinker, exercise nut, Cisplatin x 3 & concurrent IMRT x 35,(70 Gy), no surgery, no Peg, Tx at Moffitt over Aug 06. Jun 07, back to riding my bike 100 miles a wk. Now doing 12 Spin classes and 60 outdoor miles per wk. Nov 13 completed Hilly Century ride for Cancer, 104 miles, 1st Place in my age group. Apr 2014 & 15, Spun for 9 straight hrs to raise $$ for YMCA's Livestrong Program. Certified Spin Instructor Jun 2014.
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