| Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 476 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | OP Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 476 | John has had a "sore" on the back of his tongue since the middle of April. He made an appointment with his ENT for a routine check up the beginning of May. He looked at it with a light, scoped him, physical exam etc. His conclusion was that it was an abrasion from his mouth being dry and rubbing on his molar. John had an appointment with his dentist last Tuesday for a cleaning and check up. He checked the spot and also didn't seem concerned about it but gave him a referral to see an Oral Surgeon. He also has a root canal that has failed and wanted him to also check that tooth for possible extraction. I of course printed out information for John on the Marx protocol for any extractions done after radiation treatments.
So today John had his appointment with the oral surgeon. He looked at the sore on his tongue and didn't seem to think it was anything to be concerned about. He looked at the x-rays for the tooth that had the failed root canal. He told John he recommends having the root canal redone but that his 4 wisdom teeth should be extracted. He said to use vitamin E oil on the sore and if it is still there in 6 - 8 weeks that he would remove the entire thing and biopsy it. He said he would contact John's RO and find out exactly what areas they radiated and that if they used enough "shields" he shouldn't need HBO dives before extractions.
Neither John or myself feel very comfortable or confident with this information.
My questiono is how can we find an oral surgeon or dentist who deals with post-radiation issues? We live in the Philadelphis Suburbs. Wanda
Wanda (47) caregiver to husband John (56) age at diag.(2009) 1-13-09 diagnosed Stage IV BOT SCC (HPV+) 2-12-09 PEG placed, 7-6-09 removed Cisplatin 7 weeks, 7 weeks (35) IMRT 4-15-09 - treatment completed 8-09,12-09-CT Scans clear, 4-10,6-11-PET Scans clear 4-2013 - HBO (30 dives) tooth extraction 10-2019 - tooth extraction, HBO (10 dives) 11-2019 - Left lateral tongue SCC - Stage 2
| | | | Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 701 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 701 Likes: 1 | Hi, Wanda, I am sorry that you and John are having some issues now. Would you consider going into Philadelphia to an oral surgeon at Penn? The Oral Max Department deals with post radiation patients all the time. That is where Clark goes for any oral issues and we have been very pleased with the care there. It only takes us 20-25 minutes to get there from our town. I can PM you a name and number if you want one.
Anita
Anita (68) CG to husband, Clark, 79, DX SCC 11/07, T4N0Mx, PEG 1/08, RAD, post rad infection 3/08, HBOT 40 dives, ORN, Surg 11/09 mandibulectomy w/fibular graft. Plastic Surg 4/10, 12/10, 3/11, 10/11, 4/12, 10/12. All PETS clear, PEG out 1/11. 6/11 non union jaw fracture Fractured jaw w/surgery 7/14 Aspiration pneumonia 7/21, 10/22 PEG 7/21 Botox injections
| | | | Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 476 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | OP Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 476 | Absolutely! Thank you so much.
Wanda (47) caregiver to husband John (56) age at diag.(2009) 1-13-09 diagnosed Stage IV BOT SCC (HPV+) 2-12-09 PEG placed, 7-6-09 removed Cisplatin 7 weeks, 7 weeks (35) IMRT 4-15-09 - treatment completed 8-09,12-09-CT Scans clear, 4-10,6-11-PET Scans clear 4-2013 - HBO (30 dives) tooth extraction 10-2019 - tooth extraction, HBO (10 dives) 11-2019 - Left lateral tongue SCC - Stage 2
| | | | Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | Administrator, Director of Patient Support Services Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 10,507 Likes: 7 | If they are suggesting John go thru with 4 extractions without doing the Marx Protocol then its time to find a new dental professional. This is something very important so that John doesnt have far bigger problems down the road with his jaw fracturing easily or dying (osteoradionecrosis). Im so glad you know what isnt sound advice and will seek out a more up to date oral surgeon. Many of us see a prosteodontist for our post rads sensitive dental issues. Try calling your insurance company and asking for a prosteodontist. They should have more training and experience with oral cancer patients.
Since John has been thru oral cancer it isnt good advice to wait 6 - 8 weeks before he is checked. Does John go to an ENT for check ups? Thats who manages my check ups even though I also see my MO every 6 months too.
Good luck!!! ChristineSCC 6/15/07 L chk & by L molar both Stag I, age44 2x cispltn-35 IMRT end 9/27/07 -65 lbs in 2 mo, no caregvr Clear PET 1/08 4/4/08 recur L chk Stag I surg 4/16/08 clr marg 215 HBO dives 3/09 teeth out, trismus 7/2/09 recur, Stg IV 8/24/09 trach, ND, mandiblctmy 3wks medicly inducd coma 2 mo xtended hospital stay, ICU & burn unit PICC line IV antibx 8 mo 10/4/10, 2/14/11 reconst surg OC 3x in 3 years very happy to be alive | | | | Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 476 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | OP Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 476 | Thanks Christine. John's ENT is his go to guy. He saw him the beginning of May.
Wanda (47) caregiver to husband John (56) age at diag.(2009) 1-13-09 diagnosed Stage IV BOT SCC (HPV+) 2-12-09 PEG placed, 7-6-09 removed Cisplatin 7 weeks, 7 weeks (35) IMRT 4-15-09 - treatment completed 8-09,12-09-CT Scans clear, 4-10,6-11-PET Scans clear 4-2013 - HBO (30 dives) tooth extraction 10-2019 - tooth extraction, HBO (10 dives) 11-2019 - Left lateral tongue SCC - Stage 2
| | | | Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 596 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 596 | Amen to all those who posted a response. Good luck, Wanda! You are a great care taker for John. He's lucky to have you.
37 y/o fem at Dx (23 wks preg @ dx on 3/16/11) SCC L oral tongue (no risk factors) L partial gloss/MND 3/28/11 @ 25 wks preg T1-2N0M0; no rads/chemo Tonsillectomy on 8/6/12 +SCC L tonsil T2-3N1M0 (HPV-) Treated with 35 rads/7 carbo & taxol (Rx ended 10/31/12), but many hospitalizations d/t complications from rx. Various scans since rx ended are NED! Part of genetic study for rare cancers @ MGH. 44 years old now...I wasn't sure I would make it! Hoping for 40 more!
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