| Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 201 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 201 | Just wondering if anyone else has had this problem. My sister had a consultation with a oral head and neck surgeon who scheduled her surgery date for June 2. We ar having an issue with the primary dr sending in all the information she needs for the referal. So as of now not even the consultation is covered. Has this happened to anyone? How could I get this dr who already mis diagnosed her for 7 months to get this referal in. I can not even tell you how frustrating this has become. No one with cancer should ever have to go through this! How could you let a person with this devestating disease beg for their surgery. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!!
CG to Sister (42). Smoker quit @ diagnosis Dx 4/20/10 SCC T2N0M0, Rside of tongue Hemigloss R neck dis, all nodes removed 6/2/10, Trach and NG in, home 6/8/10,8/18/2010 start erbitux x6, 30 IMRT end 10/11/10 with only 3x erbitux due to reaction and one week off of rads 1/10/2011 Clear PET!!!
| | | | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 790 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 790 | Awful! I am so sorry. I wa smisdiagnosed too and was told I'd have to pay several hundred dollars to go to an ENT without a referral. The system is very frustrating.
I would go an sit in his office and demand that he write the referral letter immediately or he will be talking to your lawyer (even if you don't actually have one). His incomepetancy is causing delay in your sisters treatment and financial duress on all of you.
What a total jerk! Like you need this on top of it all.
Thinking of you.
K
Hoep you
Tongue Cancer T2 N0 M0 / Total Glossectomy Due to Location of Tumor
Finished all treatments May 25 2007 Surviving!!!
| | | | Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 176 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 176 | I would also ask the surgeon's office to go after the referral. They may have better luck. After that, I too would go sit in the docs office (or call every hour) till one was written. All the best, Rob
6-05, Left Tonsil-T1N2bM0 stageIVA, chemo(Cisplatin), radiation(6660cGy), neck disection, no PEG. HPV negative. (Doc suspects posit) 3-9-09 last of 30 HBO treatments.
| | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) | OCF Founder Patient Advocate (old timer, 2000 posts) Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 4,912 Likes: 52 | What you need a referral to is a multidisciplinary team. A surgeon may not be your first path of attack, and you need a team including chemo and radiation doc to decide what should be done. But if this guy is part of a delay, he is liable for the consequences of that delay, such as the disease progressing to a more advanced stage, the additional damage done to her by more aggressive treatments dictated by that more advanced disease, and more.....
You can self refer to a multidisciplinary institution. They will reach back to him for the information, and those institutions are very unforgiving of delays in getting a response.
Brian, stage 4 oral cancer survivor. OCF Founder and Director. The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality. The last is to say thank you. In between, the leader is a servant. | | | | Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 440 Platinum Member (300+ posts) | Platinum Member (300+ posts) Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 440 | I ditto to what the others have already suggested.
I had difficulties at first with my primary. We then got a personal nurse coordinator that our insurance provided that helped get things in order for us. We were all on 3 way phone call to get things straightened out but I still had to make frequent calls to make sure things were getting done.
Hopefully your primary will get things going for you, it's a shame they are blowing you guys off!
Dx 3/27/09 @ 28 years old with High Grade MEC T4N2M0 Elizabeth, 33, mother of 3 girls (4,7, &8yrs old) 3 rds of chemo(Carbo/Taxol) Rt Mandibulectomy, rt fibular flap,& rt ND with trach, picc,& g-tube. 30 rds of rads with weekly cisplatin SCANS ALL CLEAR! OCF Regional Coordinator of San Antonio Walk
| | | | Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 201 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 201 | Thanks everyone for the help!! My mother and I actually went to the primary's office with a patient care activist(our friend) and would not leave without the referal number. We called the health insurance the day before and they told us that they were trying to call the primary for some answers about Some things for 2 weeks and he didn't call back. This is so nice of this dr to do after he mis diagnosed my sister for 7 months but that's beside the Point. After our little scene at his office we walked out with 6 visits approved to the head and neck surgeon. Whew!!! Brian- thanks for the advice on the multidisciplinary team!! We are using that and have called them about out issues and now that they have the referal on the visit they will proceed with everything we need now. Thank goodness!! I am so thankful that my sister has a wonderful support group. I can not imagine a person that has cancer and really doesn't have a family going through the paperwork and aggrevation that comes along with it. Her surgery is now scheduled for June 2. I am soooo worried about it but I'm trying to take it day by day!! Thinking in the future is just to hard with all the what it's. Thanks everyone again for your help on just another hill that we overcame!!
CG to Sister (42). Smoker quit @ diagnosis Dx 4/20/10 SCC T2N0M0, Rside of tongue Hemigloss R neck dis, all nodes removed 6/2/10, Trach and NG in, home 6/8/10,8/18/2010 start erbitux x6, 30 IMRT end 10/11/10 with only 3x erbitux due to reaction and one week off of rads 1/10/2011 Clear PET!!!
| | | | Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 111 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 111 | Im glad you got everything covered. This has me wondering -and maybe someone else here can answer for me. I just made an appointment at DUke CCC without a referral. Will this cost us more?
my mom, age 59.
12/08 surgery & 33x rad 4/09 recurrence 5/09 surgery & 35x rad 12/09 recurrence 1/10 surgery. peg tube, trach, fibula free flap 6/10 recurrence. double chemo treatments. 8/10/10 finally at peace in heaven | | | | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 | It shouldn't. My husband's initial biopsy of a leukoplakia showed only moderate dysplasia, so he had the whole thing removed by a general ENT in northern Virginia since cancer was not indicated.
When that pathology report came back positive for SCC in situ, my husband made a follow-up appointment at Hopkins himself, without a referral. Hopkins was on our insurance (we live about a hour from Baltimore) and all he had to pay was the standard co-pay for a specialist visit.
Whether a referral is needed may depend more on your mom's insurance plan than anything else. We have a PPO with no referral necessary. If her plan is a HMO, then a referral may be required. Either she or you should check.
Leslie
April 2006: Husband dx by dentist with leukoplakia on tongue. Oral surgeon's biopsy 4/28/06: Moderate dysplasia; pathology report warned of possible "skip effect." ENT's excisional biopsy (got it all) 5/31/06: SCC in situ/small bit superficially invasive. Early detection saves lives.
| | | | Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 111 Senior Member (100+ posts) | Senior Member (100+ posts) Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 111 | Shes on BCBS PPO so hopefully it shouldnt be a problem. Thank you!
my mom, age 59.
12/08 surgery & 33x rad 4/09 recurrence 5/09 surgery & 35x rad 12/09 recurrence 1/10 surgery. peg tube, trach, fibula free flap 6/10 recurrence. double chemo treatments. 8/10/10 finally at peace in heaven | | | | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) | "Above & Beyond" Member (500+ posts) Joined: May 2006 Posts: 720 Likes: 1 | If you want to double-check, call the appointments people at Duke. They should know, or will be able to connect you with people there who do.
Leslie
April 2006: Husband dx by dentist with leukoplakia on tongue. Oral surgeon's biopsy 4/28/06: Moderate dysplasia; pathology report warned of possible "skip effect." ENT's excisional biopsy (got it all) 5/31/06: SCC in situ/small bit superficially invasive. Early detection saves lives.
| | | | Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 201 Gold Member (200+ posts) | OP Gold Member (200+ posts) Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 201 | Yes Duke should be able to tell you exactly what you will need. Our surgeon knew what we needed..Good Luck!
CG to Sister (42). Smoker quit @ diagnosis Dx 4/20/10 SCC T2N0M0, Rside of tongue Hemigloss R neck dis, all nodes removed 6/2/10, Trach and NG in, home 6/8/10,8/18/2010 start erbitux x6, 30 IMRT end 10/11/10 with only 3x erbitux due to reaction and one week off of rads 1/10/2011 Clear PET!!!
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